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To: fishtank

Sure. As I understood the article and comments about the Book of Barnabas it was stated that the book denies that Jesus Christ was the Son of God and that it denies the literal death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The Book of Mormon in fact testifies powerfully of both. Indeed the entire book is a call for men to come unto Christ who is the author of our salvation. It bears record that Jesus Christ is the living son of the living God and that only by Him and through Him can man be saved. It testifies of His birth, His life, His great atoning sacrifice and His resurrection. Finally, it invites all men everywhere to have faith in Him, to repent, to be baptized and to receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

In short, from what I can see the two books could not have less in common, so to equate the two seemed incorrect to me.


30 posted on 05/25/2012 3:47:27 PM PDT by America always
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To: America always; fishtank

The two books do have some things in common. Under any theory of origin this would be the case. Obviously, if of divine origin, we would expect not only similarities, but perfect internal consistency.

But even if only of human origin, we would expect similarities. Joe Smith’s only Bible was a KJV. He would have had to use it as a resource to draw disciples out of traditional American Christianity.

And there is substantial textual evidence that he did precisely that, plagiarizing noticeable portions of the King James into a book purporting to be much older. Yes, I know the Mormon apologists have developed various schemes to explain this, but as an attorney, and one with a background in the Biblical languages and textual history, I am pretty hard to convince, and so far I haven’t seen anything yet that’s any better than the typical KJV-Only sophistries.

But the real problem is the stories don’t line up. The message isn’t the same. Again, if I’m an attorney looking to prove some new “discovered” witness testimony is consistent with that same witnesses’ accepted testimony already in the record, I’m going to have a real problem with the BOM. The similarities you cite are a mere skimming of the surface. You use terms you don’t define. Peel away the outer skin of those terms and you find vast worlds of difference. See the site below for a table of significant differences:

http://mormoninfo.org/

But my bet is you are not encouraged to look at such sites, or to take them seriously. I understand that. But I am allowed, and these profound differences in who God is, how he acts to save us, who Jesus really is, what really happened on the cross, who really is the Holy Ghost, and on and on, these are differences that cannot be ignored.

Be honest. You know the Bible does not answer those questions even remotely the same way the BOM does. That proves something important. Either God is of a divided mind (Heaven forbid!), or the Bible and the BOM do not come from the same spiritual source.

Ergo, since both books purport to be of divine origin, one of them must be a fraud.

As for me and mine, we will cling bitterly to our Bibles.


43 posted on 05/25/2012 5:54:59 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: America always

“16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”
Colossians 1:16-17

The Bible teaches here and in many other places that Jesus created the entire universe (all of the matter of it) out of nothing. That He was the Eternal God before he was human, that He did not attain to perfection, He was always perfect. It is my understanding the lds does not believe thses truths.


44 posted on 05/25/2012 8:00:58 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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