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To: papertyger; metmom; boatbums

“it must be conceded that by the narrative comments therein, and Simeon’s own words as “the Holy Ghost was upon him,” the Bible is not the entirety of God’s word.”

I recalled you made this argument before, however, as then, holding to Scripture as the supreme and sufficient authority does not require that all that can be known is in Scripture, which itself confirms there is more, (Jn. 21:25; Rev. 10:4; 2Cor. 12:4) but that it is the assured established Word of God and supreme authority, and that what is necessary for salvation and growth is formally (very limited) or materially contained therein. And which provided for additional writings being added, as what “the Word of the Lord/God” revealed was normally written down, as a study of the phrase reveals. And thus we know what was revealed to Simeon, versus eons-old textually unverifiable nebulous traditions.

And while Scripture also provides for illumination and communication from God (esp. during the offering:), all such are subject to the Scriptures, as being the established assured word of God and supreme authority.

In contrast is a group of men asserting that whatever they and their successors will ever speak universally on faith and morals will be as sure and faultless as if it came from the lips of the Lord Jesus, and or require the same full assent of faith. This was not necessary for Truth to be provided and preserved as seen by Scripture, nor was that promised, despite attempts to extrapolate this based upon promises of guidance, etc., and which even writers of Holy Writ did not claim, as i previously (654) posted on.


691 posted on 05/29/2012 11:13:18 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
...holding to Scripture as the supreme and sufficient authority does not require that all that can be known is in Scripture...

Inserting "all that can be known" for my assertion simply evades the core issue of the dilemma I pose to devotees of Sola Scriptura.

We have in Luke 2 text that clearly tells us Simeon, under the influence of the Holy Spirit, calls the promise made to him God's word. A promise further endorsed by the Gospel writer, himself.

Apart from an OT verse outlining that same promise, the inescapable conclusion must be that all gratuitous assertions claiming that which is NOT in the Bible CANNOT be the word of God, is falsified.

There is no other alternative for those positing the Scripture as the supreme authority in faith and practice.

Further restatement of the rationale that forms the basis of Sola Scriptura is not relevant to the discussion at hand.

694 posted on 05/29/2012 11:53:14 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: daniel1212

Also, the Apostles and more importantly their MESSAGE/SCRIPTURE was authenticated by God via the miracles they performed.

The Popes/Magesterium have no such authentication from God for their extra biblical tradition.


697 posted on 05/29/2012 12:01:48 PM PDT by bkaycee
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