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To: metmom
It leads to what we've seen in the nonsense of teaching and proclaiming them as truth things that are directly contradicted in Scripture.

Like prattling nonsense such as "The flesh counts for NOTHING" when clearly, most of what we call "sin" is defined by what we do with "the flesh."

670 posted on 05/29/2012 8:46:13 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: papertyger
"Like prattling nonsense such as "The flesh counts for NOTHING" when clearly, most of what we call "sin" is defined by what we do with "the flesh."" M/I>

Jesus went to great lengths to differentiate between "the flesh" and "My (His) Flesh". Our flesh counts for nothing. His Flesh counts for EVERYTHING.

Peace be with you.

671 posted on 05/29/2012 8:49:37 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: papertyger
"Like prattling nonsense such as "The flesh counts for NOTHING" when clearly, most of what we call "sin" is defined by what we do with "the flesh.""

Jesus went to great lengths to differentiate between "the flesh" and "My (His) Flesh". Our flesh counts for nothing. His Flesh counts for EVERYTHING.

Peace be with you.

672 posted on 05/29/2012 8:51:14 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: papertyger
Like prattling nonsense such as "The flesh counts for NOTHING" when clearly, most of what we call "sin" is defined by what we do with "the flesh."

Just.... wow......

You just don't get it, do you?

If you think that sin is only what you do in the flesh, you are going to be in for a rude awakening some day. Learn now before it's too late.

Matthew 5:8 “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

Matthew 5:21-22 21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.

Matthew 5:27-28 27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Matthew 23:25-28 25 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean. 27 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and all uncleanness. 28 So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

Matthew 12:34 You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

Matthew 15:18-20 18 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. 20 These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone.”

1 John 3:15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

Mark 7:18-23 18 And he said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him, 19 since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” ( Thus he declared all foods clean.) 20 And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. 21 For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, 22 coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”

If what goes into a man's stomach cannot defile him, then what goes into a man's stomach cannot make him righteous or pure either.

Sin starts in the heart long before it is given birth in in the flesh. We are not at the mercy of our flesh. We do what we want to do, what we choose to do. If we choose to sin, it's because we decided before the actions to do it.

God's standard is not merely absolute perfection in actions, it's also absolute perfection in heart. If Catholics truly believe that unless each and every sin they commit is repented for individually, they are to be most pitied because there's simply NO WAY that ANYONE can keep accounts of each and every sin they commit every day. On that basis, since they believe in salvation by works, no one is ever going to make it to heaven, Catholic or not.

680 posted on 05/29/2012 9:17:57 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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