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To: papertyger
Why is it you guys don't seem to be able to answer with anything substantive when you figure out we don't subscribe to your favorite presuppositions? One would think the natural response would be to step back and find common ground to proceed from, rather than offer worthless expressions of incredulity.

If one proposes that one's church trumps the very words of YHWH, all that can be left is incredulity.... One cannot step back from that and find common ground, because if you truly believe that, then there is no common ground.

The Bible is, at it's heart, a series of contracts (covenants) between YHWH and Man. Do you REALLY want to claim that any edifice of man has authority over that? Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is on it's face?

It DOES explain how one might suppose to change it at a whim, but you will never convince me of any authority whatsoever to do so.

616 posted on 05/28/2012 11:14:10 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1; papertyger
If one proposes that one's church trumps the very words of YHWH, all that can be left is incredulity.... One cannot step back from that and find common ground, because if you truly believe that, then there is no common ground.

John 17:17 Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth.

Anything that contradicts or does not line up with Scripture is not truth, ie it's a lie. Satan's favorite tactic is to get men to disbelieve the WORD. That's how he got Eve to sin, by causing her to question what God had revealed to Adam. *Did God REALLY say....?* has, sadly, been one of his most effective tools down through the ages. We can know that the source of anything that disagrees with Scripture is Satan.

John 8:31 So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

The Bible is, at it's heart, a series of contracts (covenants) between YHWH and Man. Do you REALLY want to claim that any edifice of man has authority over that? Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is on it's face?

Most religious people and likely many Christians, have a total misunderstanding of the Law and it's purpose. The Holy Spirit through Paul tells us here....

Galatians 3:24-25 24 So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

It DOES explain how one might suppose to change it at a whim, but you will never convince me of any authority whatsoever to do so.

AMEN!!!!

Matthew 22:29 But Jesus answered them, “You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God.

Mark 12:24 Jesus said to them, “Is this not the reason you are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God?

626 posted on 05/29/2012 2:10:05 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: roamer_1
If one proposes that one's church trumps the very words of YHWH, all that can be left is incredulity.... One cannot step back from that and find common ground, because if you truly believe that, then there is no common ground.

Do you not believe Jesus Christ is God incarnate?

Do you REALLY want to claim that any edifice of man has authority over that?

The Church is not "of man."

I should think you would know that....

647 posted on 05/29/2012 6:53:29 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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