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So, you do not accept what Jesus said. And that is the problem we continue to have between Christians. I understand both of the ‘arguments’...yours and ‘theirs’. Think how much easier it is if we just take what God says, what Jesus says, at face value. It is only in your mind if you do not believe that it is still ‘bread’ or still ‘wine’. It does not ‘become’ it does not ‘represent’...it is...Jesus said so. Is that a lie?

Do you take Jesus says at "face value" when he says he is the door? Is Jesus an actual door?

When Jesus said call no man "Father" on the earth do you take this at "face value" as well?

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You doth protest too much, me thinks.

door...any means of approach, admittance, or access. Jesus is the door

“Jesus therefore said again to them, Verily, verily, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All whoever came before me are thieves and robbers; but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door: if any one enter in by me, he shall be saved, and shall go in and shall go out and shall find pasture.”
(John 10:7-9)

The Greek word is ‘thura’, portal.

As to the calling a man ‘father’...let’s take it in context...

“Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.”
(Matthew 23:2-13)

Now, all that said, would you refer to a Jewish ‘Rabbi’ as ‘Rabbi’? Do you have a title for your ‘pastor’, ‘minister’?

We all like to take the Word out of context to make ‘our point’. You have done it here. Now, what is your point? Obviously you think I refer to ‘my priest’ as ‘Father so & so’ ... guess the joke is on me ... I’d have to be Catholic then, would I not?

When you assume, you make Ass/U/Me...lol!