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To: metmom
So when and why DID the Catholic church remove the cup from the communion service

They did not remove the cup, 99% of all the Masses I have attended throughout Catholic Churches in the US offer the cup. I have only seen a rare occasion when it's not offered

1,178 posted on 06/04/2012 5:33:21 AM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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They did not remove the cup, 99% of all the Masses I have attended throughout Catholic Churches in the US offer the cup. I have only seen a rare occasion when it's not offered

On the contrary, you apparently don't know your own church history very well. The Catholic church did indeed remove the cup for many years, otherwise, why the teaching that when you receive only the bread you actually receive both the body AND blood?

Communion under Both Kinds

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04175a.htm

Your problem is that there are too many of us former Catholics who remember quite clearly the time when BOTH elements of communion were NOT offered to snow us.

While it has been since added back in, there is no way you can insist that it's always been that way and maintain any credibility because EVERYONE knows better. And those who don't remember it, can simply read your church history and the controversy taking away and adding the cup back in has caused.

No person or people or organization has the legitimate authority to change that which Christ handed down to us.

1,183 posted on 06/04/2012 6:25:00 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: stfassisi
"They did not remove the cup,"

You are correct. The Chalice the wine and the Blood of Christ have been in every Mass since the earliest days of the Catholic Liturgy. The following is from St. Justin Martyr written only 100 years after the Resurrection and 200 years before the Canon of the Bible. It could be used to accurately describe any Catholic Mass I have ever attended, but is radically different from EVERY Protestant service I have ever attended:

"No one may share in the Eucharist with us unless he believes that what we teach is true, unless he is washed in the regenerating waters of baptism for the remission of his sins, and unless he lives in accordance with the principles given us by Christ."

"We do not consume the Eucharistic bread and wine as if it were ordinary food and drink, for we have been taught that as Jesus Christ our Savior became a man of flesh and blood by the power of the Word of God, so also the food that our flesh and blood assimilates for its nourishment becomes the flesh and blood of the incarnate Jesus by the power of his own words contained in the prayer of thanksgiving."

"The apostles, in their recollections, which are called gospels, handed down to us what Jesus commanded them to do. They tell us that he took bread, gave thanks and said: Do this in memory of me. This is my body. In the same way he took the cup, he gave thanks and said: This is my blood. The Lord gave this command to them alone. Ever since then we have constantly reminded one another of these things. The rich among us help the poor and we are always united. For all that we receive we praise the Creator of the universe through his Son Jesus Christ and through the Holy Spirit."

"On Sunday we have a common assembly of all our members, whether they live in the city or in the outlying districts. The recollections of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as there is time. When the reader has finished, the president of the assembly speaks to us; he urges everyone to imitate the examples of virtue we have heard in the readings. Then we all stand up together and pray."

"On the conclusion of our prayer, bread and wine and water are brought forward. The president offers prayers and gives thanks to the best of his ability, and the people give their assent by saying, "Amen." The Eucharist is distributed, everyone present communicates, and the deacons take it to those who are absent."

"The wealthy, if they wish, may make a contribution, and they themselves decide the amount. The collection is placed in the custody of the president, who uses it to help the orphans and widows and all who for any reason are in distress, whether because they are sick, in prison, or away from home. In a word, he takes care of all who are in need. We hold our common assembly on Sunday because it is the first day of the week, the day on which God put darkness and chaos to flight and created the world, and because on that same day our savior Jesus Christ rose from the dead. For he was crucified on Friday and on Sunday he appeared to his apostles and disciples and taught them the things that we have passed on for your consideration." St. Justin Martyr 100AD - 165AD First Apology in Defense of the Christians

1,189 posted on 06/04/2012 8:44:43 AM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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