Posted on 05/17/2012 5:40:57 PM PDT by Gamecock
Nope. I don’t “belong” to some “denomination”, I do partake of the Lords Supper, “organized service” is only a construct of “religion”, I do see error in not partaking of both the bread and the cup and correcting error is never a “gotha” as much is it’s a directive from scripture.
CynicalBear, USAToday is a link only source: copyright restrictions.
Oops. I didn’t go far enough down that list. Thanks for catching that one.
I did not say that the cup was removed from the mass entirely.
That charge could only have been made by reading more into my statement that it said.
I did specify within that post that the cup was not offered to the communicants, giving anyone with any kind of reading comprehension more than enough information to understand what I was talking about.
FWIW, it’s only the blood that procures forgiveness. It’s by His stripes, His broken body, which we are healed. The body is for our healing. The blood is for our forgiveness.
That is why they are not interchangeable.
Not trying to be sarcastic, but it seems the Catholic Church doesn't discipline anyone who knowingly, out right practices, and even heavily promotes any of these things. Look at how they give a blind eye to countless politicians who openly champion most, if not all of the things you mention on your list. This is so confusing to people, especially young people. It is truly a double message. Also, from what I have seen, it is easy for a Catholic to get an "annulment" and remarry. The Catholic Church may be good at giving at talk, but often doesn't do much about following through on what they say. That way they can have it both ways. They appease the more Conservative Catholic with the talk, and also the sinful, murdering Catholic with none action concerning discipline. Be careful that you are not being played.
Find a Church that follows through with what it preaches about. Find a Church that preaches that Christ is central and that the most important thing you can do in your life is live for Him personally and keep God, Himself, on the throne of your heart, not any Church. Find a Church where you are able to serve Him corporately better than you can serve Him alone. A Church where you know The Spirit of God is there in power. Don't be satisfied with religiosity when you can have the real thing.
It is INDEED the blood that makes atonement for the soul and we have been redeemed by the price Christ paid on our behalf. That should NEVER be diminished by anyone, anywhere and the observance that we participate in - eating of the bread and drinking of the cup - is done in remembrance that we HAVE received Him, we have believed on Him, and we ARE saved. No one denomination has the corner on the purpose of this Christian tradition and to state that because there is not a special person to conjure up or confect the presence of Christ in the "elements" is not Scriptural. The redemption that is in Christ Jesus is available to ALL who place their trust in Him. No one is left out. God offers it to ALL because He so loved the world and whosoever believes in Christ HAS everlasting life.
...and all the Catholics who have replied sharing the faith.
We keep sharing what the Church teaches and everything we post is rejected and/or mocked.
message to Pelianito
June 3, 2012
2 Maccabbees 6:16
He never withdraws his mercy from us. Although he disciplines us with misfortunes, he does not abandon his own people.
“Be not afraid, my children! Is it more merciful to allow sinners to persist in sin, or to put an end to an age of sin through chastisement? Know and believe that your Lord is merciful above all and seeks to call all sinners to righteousness. IF THEY WILL NOT LISTEN TO THE VOICE OF GOD IN HIS CHURCH, THEY WILL LISTEN TO HIM IN CALAMITY. If The children of this age persist in darkness. But the darkness can never vanquish the light. Light always triumphs. Therefore—rejoice! I say it again—rejoice! For your Lord is near and he comes to rule the world with justice and the peoples with fairness.”
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I got some land for you in Florida. Real nice waterfront property.
Honest.
Here, perhaps this link will work, unless the National Catholic Register is also considered an anti-Catholic hate site.
Phoenix diocese to restrict Communion wine
http://ncronline.org/news/faith-parish/phoenix-diocese-restrict-communion-wine
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Isn’t it amazing that there is so much information available that the communion wine was restricted and is in many areas yet restricted but we are excoriated for bringing it up and even accused of spreading falsehoods? It’s just one more instance of obfuscation when truth is plainly given. To me it’s just one more evidence of the importance of relying on scripture over any supposed “church leaders”.
FACTS=anti-RC hatred.
True.
Catholics need to come to the understanding that Jesus died once for our sins and said "It is finished". What we do in communion is remember what He already did for us. Jesus has healed scars, not wounds, dripping with blood.
The first thing I thought of was when Jesus, in His glorified body after the resurrection, appeared before the disciples. He told Thomas to touch and feel the nail scars in His hands and to believe that He was truly there with them. Thomas fell down before Him and exclaimed, "My Lord and my God!". I think in heaven we will always be in the presence of Jesus our Savior and He will always have those scars on His feet and hands as a reminder to us of the great sacrifice He made on our behalf and we will never forget that we are there not because of what we did for Him, but what He did for us.
The observance of the Lord's Supper is a reminder to us while we are still here, but in heaven we will have Him before us as that reminder for eternity. The partaking of the bread and wine together with the body of Christ (fellow believers) was instituted just as all the other observances and memorials were - to keep things ever before us - so we don't ever forget. When the Israelites encountered amazing things on their journey through the wilderness, they stopped along the way and built memorials to commemorate the miracles the Lord provided along the way. Just as God says he will never forget us, we are given these things so we will never forget Him.
Considering what a fickle bunch we humans are, we NEED to be continually reminded of important stuff.
You said it was removed and did not specify that the cup was still consecrated and drank by Priests which can mislead people who don't know the Catholic Faith to think the cup was completely removed
Perhaps next time you can be more specific in your posts,dear sister.
I disagree. Metmom, if you go back and read the exchange, talks about the cup being offered to the people. The comments those of us added reiterated that viewpoint and it was relevant to the discussion we were having about the blood being what cleanses us from all sin and it being omitted from the observance the people take part of. I remember very clearly that the priest drank the wine and wiped out the chalice (or whatever you guys call it) when he was done. It was NEVER offered to the "people" - which was the point.
This wasn't brought up for any other reason than to note the absence of the main thing that Jesus said symbolized the New Covenant.
FYI...Natural Law was told to leave the thread by the Religion Moderator. I didn't know if you were aware of that and it will be why he doesn't respond to your posts here.
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