Posted on 05/17/2012 5:40:57 PM PDT by Gamecock
Dear Sister,
I have witnessed Eucharistic miracles and the supernatural power of Christ in The Most Blessed Sacrament during prayer at Adoration,so don’t bother posting me with your made up theology.
I hope your food illness is better? I will pray for you at Adoration Tomorrow
IMHO,I wish you would take a break from FR because it may be consuming you and not allowing you to grow spiritually.
Both the bread and the cup are necessary parts of the communion service as commanded by Christ.Odd that Rome, who wants to take John 6:55 literally, departs from other literal commands.
Both the bread and the cup are necessary parts of the communion service as commanded by Christ.Odd that Rome, who wants to take John 6:55 literally, departs from other literal commands.
Funny thing is, most of us don't feel the "need" to tattle to the RM. He/she is more than adequate to do what needs to be done to keep order within the forum. That you felt no qualms about accusing another of lying, attributing motives and flagrantly breaking the rules only proves you must feel you are above them. You aren't.
(So I can attribute your leaving the Church at age 16 to an act of teenage indiscretion and defiance?)
You may not. Just like accusing people of lying you do not have the right to pretend to read anothers mind. I have always stated in my testimony here how old I was when God revealed the truth of the Gospel of the grace of God to me when I read John 10:27-30:
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one.
The Holy Spirit opened my eyes and my heart to the truth of the Gospel that Jesus gives to us eternal life and we shall NEVER perish. I knew then and there that the truth I had been seeking all my life was found and I also knew I would not find that truth in the Roman Catholic Church. All these discussions over the years only reconfirm that my decision was the right one. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to share it again.
Yes she is. See post 1282 and realize that the comment “what public health crisis broke out in Europe at the same time the Church restricted the cup to the laity? FYI - Bishops still have the authority to suspend the practice when public health is at risk. It happened in this country in some diocese during the H1N1 Pandemic scare.” is lame.
“when public health is at risk” my foot. When Bishops in the church say “Bread alone will do for Communion at most Masses.” It’s not because of “health risks”.
See post 1302.
And I never said the cup wasn’t present in the mass either.
I know it was.
What the Catholic church did was deny the laity participation in the cup as part of the communion service. It was NOT served for a very long time.
The communicants were not given the option to partake of communion as Christ established it. The communicants were denied participation in the part of the communion service which recognized the shed blood of the new covenant.
pnsn, greater is He who is in you, than he who is in the world.
Oops, that’s see post 1302.
First, I don't believe believe that there were plastic cups the Church could have used in response to the Black Death.
Second, you are again demonstrating either a profound ignorance of the nature of the Eucharist or are again projecting the symbolic grape juice into the Catholic Liturgy. The spillage, or misuse of even the smallest drop or crumb of the Host of either species is a sacrilege. To the Church is it far more serious to casually treat the remnants of the Precious Blood of Christ left in the little plastic than if you disrespected your dear Aunt Tillie by putting her body out on the curb for the Wednesday trash pick up. This is specifically addressed in the GIRM (General Instructions of the Roman Missal:
Paragraph 279 of the GIRM: The sacred vessels are purified by the priest, the deacon, or an instituted acolyte after Communion or after Mass, insofar as possible at the credence table. The purification of the chalice is done with water alone or with wine and water, which is then drunk by whoever does the purification. The paten is usually wiped clean with the purificator.
Peace be with you.
metmom said in her post #1183 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2885096/posts?page=1183#1183 that the Catholic Church removed the Cup which is NOT truthful because the cup of wine was ALWAYS consecrated at the Mass and drank by Priests-The rest of the congregation still received The full Christ in the Consecrated Host -which is the same full Christ in the Consecrated wine.
We consume the Whole Christ whether it’s in the Consecrated Host or Wine.
When you get your Master Catechist certificate or become a certified Canon lawyer get back to me and I'll entertain your opinion. Until please then try to limit your comments to things you actually know about unless you are asking an intelligent question.
Peace be with you.
LOL Yeah, right.
BTW It's very well known that when referencing another freeper you also ping that person.
In your capacity as a self declared expert on Church history, Catholic doctrine and Scriptural epignosis please explain how the laity not receiving the cup passes the "so what" test and what your specific denomination does to ensure that both species are made available at every weekly service.
It is rare that I get to ask questions of so accomplished a scholar. I would sincerely appreciate your thoughts on intinction and the precautions necessary to prevent Eucharistic abuses.
God Bless
Scripture is rather clear that it’s the individual responsibility of each person to partake in a worthy manner. The made up rituals of the RCC are no where found in scripture.
Am I to take this non answer as an admission that you and your denomination do not partake of the Lords Supper in any organized service and that your larger point is not that you personally find anything wrong with the Church withholding one of the species, just that you think you can use this as a gotcha?
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.