Posted on 05/11/2012 1:40:26 PM PDT by Gillibrand
Hardly anyone knew Henk Heithuis when he was killed in a car accident on 28 October 1958 when only 23 years old. Today, fifty years after his untimely death, the sad fate of the Dutchman is extensively covered in the international press – from the "Spiegel" to the FAZ to the "Telegraph".
The media interest has a reason: The name of the young man at the centre of a scandal brings shame on the Roman Catholic Church in the Netherlands and also reaction in politics. This is because Heithuis, who spent nearly his entire life in Catholic homes and boarding schools, was there not only sexually abused but the church prompted his castration, supposedly to cure his homosexuality.
From the confessional to the surgeon
Worse still, the unfortunate Heithuis was perhaps just one of several victims who were castrated.
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And you're really going all the way back to the "Rum, Romanism, and Rebellion" days to make your case? Ridiculous.
If anyone questions it, I will just show them how Catholics vote, I think the democrats are pretty safe in knowing that they can depend on the Catholic voter to support them.
The only point is the Catholic vote, all this nonsense to justify it, defend it, pretend that it never happens, doesn’t exist, and on, and on, and on, is just nonsense and has no place on a conservative forum based on voting and politics.
The denial and dishonesty on this simple voting fact, is extraordinary.
Certainly it's a great scandal. That any Catholic would vote for the Kenyan anti-Christ is a scandal.
But that wasn't the issue at hand.
Catholicism has been equated with liberalism. Or liberals. The fractured syntax of the actual statement makes it difficult to say with precision what was meant. In either case, that's false.
The charge is that Catholics are a Democrat voting bloc. In that a voting bloc is one that shows some degree of unity within the group that is allegedly voting as a bloc, the Catholic vote, almost evenly-split most years, is hardly one that constitutes a voting bloc.
There are many fruitful discussions to be had about the Catholic vote. But they must start out in truth, not falsehoods.
In that the Catholic vote IS nearly split on an overall basis, the next logical question is, how can we look at the Catholic vote in a way that gives us insight about Catholics and voting?
The answer is to look at the different stable communities within the Catholic Church in the United States. When we do that, we see that black Catholics pretty much vote Democrat, like blacks generally. Hispanic Catholics pretty much vote Democrat, like Hispanics generally. And white Catholics pretty much vote Republican, like whites generally.
Looking further, church-going Catholics pretty much vote Republican, like church-goers generally. Non-church-going Catholics pretty much vote Democrat, like non-church-goers generally.
So, what can we conclude about all this?
How about, Catholics don't vote - or generally behave - any differently from non-Catholics.
I think the scandal lies in that insight.
Voting is just one part of it.
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There are more than twice as many "self identified" Catholics as "self identified" Catholic votes cast. Among the "self-identified" Catholic votes cast only a sample were verified as to which party they voted for. That sample only confirmed that slightly more than half of the minority that cast their votes voted Democrat.
An honest assessment of the data shows that only about 1/4 of self-identified Catholics vote Democrat. You can continue to present that 1/4 as proving your point only if your aims are dishonest.
An honest assessment would show that the majority of Catholic votes are for the pro-abortion democrat, the more Catholics that vote, then the higher that percentage will go.
The democrats are highly motivated and are spending millions, to increase the number of registered and voting Catholics.
Although a minority of Catholics act counter to Church teachings in casting ballots, neither party fully satisfies the moral needs of Catholic voters. That is the fault of both parties, not the Church.
As long as the democrats can count on winning the majority of Catholic voters for their pro-abortion, pro-homosexual marriage and anti-God party, then they will be doing everything in their power to increase the number of Catholic voters.
But we can judge them both. And the man who was castrated probably didn’t euthanize anyone.
Quantitatively, the Democrats get more Protestant votes than Catholic votes. We both have a lot of work to do. You should be at least as concerned about cleaning up the bigger Protestant mess as you are with the wayward minority of Catholics.
If it is percentages you are concerned with you should spend some time with blacks, Asians, Jews, women, Hispanics, and union members, all whom voted for Obama in greater percentages than the 25% if Catholics who did. It feels to me like your agenda is not so much pro-GOP as it is anti-Catholic.
I am doing my work, am trying to educate people on the liberal voting of our largest single denomination.
The most common denomination of the flood of immigrants also.
As long as the democrats can count on winning the majority of Catholic voters for their pro-abortion, pro-homosexual marriage and anti-God party, then they will be doing everything in their power to increase the number of Catholic voters.
LOL. Really? Just how do you suppose you are going to change the voting behavior of liberals posting to a conservative website in threads that typically have no more than a dozen of the same conservatives who ignored your previous thousand posts on the same subject? Sisyphus had a better probability of success.
(For the record, anti-Catholicism and anti-immigrant nativism are founding principles of the Know-Nothing Party and the KKK, not the GOP.)
Evidently, my first chore is to get Catholics here to accept that they are in the minority in their denomination, and that the majority of Catholics vote pro-abortion democrat.
As long as the democrats can count on winning the majority of Catholic voters for their pro-abortion, pro-homosexual marriage and anti-God party, then they will be doing everything in their power to increase the number of Catholic voters.
Did the voices assign you the chore of antagonizing those who might otherwise be sympathetic too?
Your posts have gotten increasingly personal and hostile.
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