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To: ejonesie22
For your edification I am not Southern Baptist and haven't been in over27 years. :>} But I am from the south and attended a Baptist church. I attended one I think it was Independent actually. Oh and the deep dark family secret is I have aunts, uncles, cousins, who are Catholics and a LDS or four. Oh yea and a rebellious uncle who married into them Methodist. Oh the shame. /sarcasm

There are many out there who have yet heard The Gospel or had someone talk too them about Jesus Christ yet many are way too busy trying to save that other church down the street instead where though they may or may not have some serious doctrine issues they are none the less still followers of Jesus Christ.

Not one church, not one Christian, by their church is worthy and stands perfect. All churches have some flaws, dark histories, or incorrect reading of scriptures from which they established their charter or belief.

Back too the bashing carry on.

165 posted on 04/27/2012 2:49:20 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe
Here is something I found in one pretty much mainstream accepted church statement of beliefs. I'm not going to identify which denomination.

In the baptism with the Holy Ghost subsequent to a clean heart.

In speaking with other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance and that it is the initial evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

Now I want some too see just how much harm they would do a believing Christian by literally hounding the person who did not experience such {most do not} but saying to them then you are not saved. This church is located in most communities in the south I'm not sure about other regions. It is accepted as Christian.

Consider if you will the person who does receive conviction and calls upon Christ for salvation. I have seen some folks cry, be happy, be scared especially going before a church in public profession, and some their expression and behavior was like it was when they came through the church door. They didn't shout, yell, or anything. They may not have even felt at that time a difference within themselves. But they are saved by The Grace Of GOD. But the church doctrine requires this that the other as proof. Most churches have some little quirk.

At one time in my life in the Navy actually I had gone up to the ships chapel for some prayer and solitude. 5000 plus people it didn't happen often. In walks a guy and ask if I've been saved I said yes. He said are you sure? I said yes. That should have ended the questioning by him. He proceeds to ask me well when you were Baptized what did your preacher say? I said I Baptize you in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. He said Oh then you are not saved. That was not a correct Baptism because he didn't say I Baptize you in the name of Jesus Christ. I looked at him and said The Father, The Son, The Holy Ghost now which one is Jesus Christ? He said but it has to be His name. The guy hounded me nearly two solid years wanting to convert me. He was wrong. Well meaning perhaps but wrong.

See what I mean?

As for myself? I believe salvation comes in an instant is not dependent upon mans Baptism but rather the instant you surrender to Christ The Holy Spirit Baptizes you in the Blood and Spirit of Christ. It is spiritual not physical.

My dad often told me of the day of his salvation. He was in his late teens out hunting as he often did. Someone had given him a pocket New Testament. He read it including verses like John 3:16. In the back of The Bible was a place stating I___ accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and accept His forginesses of my sins. He signed it and laid it down and left it and went home.

Several years later he briefly joined a church and made public profession and Baptism. Most of his life he did not go to church. Something had happened when he was a kid and at a football team camp. The coach called upon him to say the prayer. My dad was terrified of public speaking. Talking to one or two persons he could do and he helped lead many in the family and friends to Christ in his lifetime. But he had a fear that in a church environment he again would be called upon. Some Sunday School teacher, some Preachers, have some discernment on whom to call on. Others it's out of the blue to someone. It wasn't just that in his line of work he took a job where he would not have to go to customers homes but rather he worked alone at night.

When he passed I talked to the ministers involved in his funeral. Both had visited him in his last days and understood him.

What makes one a Christian? Many attend organized churches many do not but go quietly about their lives living in the path they are given doing GOD's work in His name. No ones church makes them a Christian or not. It's a matter of the heart toward GOD and a sincere and repentive heart with a will too please GOD {though we as humans will fall} that is what GOD wants of us. It is our belief and acceptance of Salvation through Christ that sets us free. His blood shed for us for those who ask to receive it.

166 posted on 04/27/2012 4:21:13 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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