Posted on 04/24/2012 1:28:27 PM PDT by Jeff Head
Sorry; but the Book of MORMON is PERFECT.
HEADQUARTERS in SLC says so!
Therefore, what is WRITTEN in it is supposed to be inviolate.
How can it be WRONG, when it came into existance in this manner:
"Now the way he translated was he put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes than he would take a sentance and it would apper in Brite Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it. Then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on. But if it was not Spelt rite it would not go away till it was rite, so we see it was marvelous. Thus was the hol [whole] translated."---Joseph Knight's journal.
"In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us."
(History of the RLDS Church, 8 vols.(Independence, Missouri: Herald House,1951),"Last Testimony of Sister Emma [Smith Bidamon]," 3:356.
"I, as well as all of my father's family, Smith's wife, Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, were present during the translation. . . . He [Joseph Smith] did not use the plates in translation."
---(David Whitmer,as published in the "Kansas City Journal," June 5, 1881,and reprinted in the RLDS "Journal of History", vol. 8, (1910), pp. 299-300.
In an 1885 interview, Zenas H. Gurley, then the editor of the RLDS Saints Herald, asked Whitmer if Joseph had used his "Peep stone" to do the translation. Whitmer replied:
"... he used a stone called a "Seers stone," the "Interpreters" having been taken away from him because of transgression. The "Interpreters" were taken from Joseph after he allowed Martin Harris to carry away the 116 pages of Ms [manuscript] of the Book of Mormon as a punishment, but he was allowed to go on and translate by use of a "Seers stone" which he had, and which he placed in a hat into which he buried his face, stating to me and others that the original character appeared upon parchment and under it the translation in English."
"Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say 'Written,' and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used."
(Edward Stevenson, "One of the Three Witnesses,"reprinted from Deseret News, 30 Nov. 1881in Millennial Star, 44 (6 Feb. 1882): 86-87.)
In 1879, Michael Morse, Emma Smith's brother-in-law, stated:"When Joseph was translating the Book of Mormon [I] had occasion more than once to go into his immediate presence, and saw him engaged at his work of translation. The mode of procedure consisted in Joseph's placing the Seer Stone in the crown of a hat, then putting his face into the hat, so as to entirely cover his face, resting his elbows upon his knees, and then dictating word after word, while the scribes Emma, John Whitmer, O. Cowdery, or some other wrote it down."
(W.W. Blair interview with Michael Morse,Saints Herald, vol. 26, no. 12June 15, 1879, pp. 190-91.)
Joseph Smith's brother William also testified to the "face in the hat" version:"The manner in which this was done was by looking into the Urim and Thummim, which was placed in a hat to exclude the light, (the plates lying near by covered up), and reading off the translation, which appeared in the stone by the power of God"("A New Witness for Christ in America,"Francis W. Kirkham, 2:417.)
"The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods."---Isaac Hale (Emma Smith's father's) affidavit, 1834.
You sure as HELL better agree with your OWN church's dogma!
#7 Temple Recommend questions...
Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
Will you repudiate, affirm or ignore reply #67?
Do you even know what ‘The Journal of Discourses’ is to the LDSinc faithful? You want to remain ignorant so you can defend the blasphemies, so be it. I’ve spent years, literally, studying the ‘paper’ trail of LDS inc, because one of my very longest and at one time closest friends fell into that cult worshipping in the smithian heresies. As a Christian, it was my duty to work at finding some way to open his eyes. But the cult mind fostered by LDS inc is a tough nut to crack. Folks like you who are not LDS who go out of your way to ridicule, accuse, and condemn people revealing the actual heresies and blasphemies in MormonISM make the task that much harder.
Must?
Is that any thing like being given one more chance by the MORMONs after death?
Proxy baptised to PURGE away any remaining sins?
What?
What kind of a MORMON are you???
Oh; that's right. HELL doesn't mean much to you guys.
And you cannot determine what "another gospel" means.
What you READ here are things directly from MORMON sources - NOT Billy Bob's website.
You MORMONs MIGHT have an excuse to IGNORE BB; but NO reason to IGNORE the product of LDS headquarters.
Anyone who thinks that mirrors facing mirrors would give one a glimpse of godhood or of eternity, has obviously never set foot in a barber shop.
You have GOT to be kidding; right??
MORMON
ATTITUDES OF SUPERIORITY
1. Im Superior; I have a special gift of the holy Ghost -- you dont!
2. Im Superior; I have Gods true priesthood power -- you dont! 3. Im Superior; I can go in Gods secret Temple -- you cant! 4. Im Superior; Ive been Endowed with special Gifts and Knowledge -- youre just normal! 5. Im Superior; Ill have my family with me in heaven -- youll be with strangers! 6. Im Superior; Im becoming a God -- you arent! 7. Im Superior; My women know their place as servants of man and yours dont. 8. Im Superior; YOUR creeds are wrong because they come from man - mine comes from God (you can find each one printed in our Scriptures). 9. Im Superior; I dont HAVE a creed - Ive got 13 Articles of Faith. 10. I'm Superior; I have 4 "Bibles"-- the standard works (5 if you count the JST) -- you've only got one: in as far as it is translated correctly. 11. Im Superior; I can lie with impunity about such things as church membership, church growth, church doctrine, church history, church influence, etc. -- You cant. 12. Im Superior; I am right (everybody knows) when I say 'evangelical' Christians are lunatics -- -- Youre a hideous narrow-minded bigot, who is persecuting me by practicing discrimination by saying I'm not a Christian.
13. I'm Superior; I have a testimony about a prophet -- you don't. 14. I'm Superior; I have a Scripture-producing Amos 3:7 prophet -- you don't 15. Im Superior; I have a Living Prophet who talks to god every day -- you have a dim-witted hireling of Satan who only talks to himself. 16. I'm Superior; I have my calling & election made sure -- you don't. 17. Im Superior; I have magic underwear to protect me from the bogey man -- you dont. 18. Im Superior; I have secret clasps and grips to give the angel so I get admitted to the celestial kingdom -- you dont ;so you cant. 19. I'm Superior; I know secret handshake codes for afterlife entrances-- you don't. 20. Im Superior; I will see Joseph Smith setting on the right hand of GOD, when I get to Mormon heaven, and he will recognize me and judge me favorably -- Youre on your own; when you get to wherever youre going! 21. Im Superior; Im going to hie to Kolob -- youre going to who knows where. 22. Im Superior; I get to have a harem and act like a celestial stud for time and all eternity -- you dont. 23. Im Superior; I have sun stones, moon stones, sky stones, cloud stones, Saturn stones, and the evil eye of Osirus guarding my temple -- You have nothing but a stupid cross.
24. Im Superior; My church has billions in assets stashed away -- yours has taken a stupid vow of poverty. 25. I'm Superior; Last - we have the power to keep a whole race out of our priesthood if we wanted to reinsert our 148-year legacy (we ARE still keeping an entire GENDER at bay!) 26. I'm superior; I have the "higher law" -- everyone else "lives under the "lesser law' because I say so...(over and over). Revision 46.5
Semi-Official creed of the EXclusive club of Freeper Flying Inmans.
All rights liable to be abused.
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I'll agree with The Bible and The Holy Spirit. That should suffice :>}
Psssst!
Didn't you get the OTHER memo?
The one that said this tactic doesn't work?
--MormonDude(I'll be glad when warm weather is OVER; so I can eat MEAT again!)
THX 1138
I'm not kidding. You might find out the person is just as much a believer in Jesus Christ as you are. Oh and the ones I have talked too like my cousins were raised up as Baptist.
Which parts?
MormonISM claims it is CORRUPTED.
MormonISM's god had Joseph Smith to do a re-write of it.
MormonISM (SLC branch) does NOT consider it (the JST) to be scripture.
MormonISM, therefore, makes no sense.
I don't read the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church either. Does that church not ask an allegiance to the Vatican and Pope? I pretty much pass over their church writings passages when they get posted. From what little I can see there isn't that much major difference between them though. OH BTW I'm not Mormon. LOL I can with 100% certainty say I have not been too a LDS service. Last church I went to was a pew walking Baptist church. But that was years ago.
I've talked too people from all walks. Some people can accept the teachings of Paul as "in all things are lawful for me but not all are expedient." Others literally either need someone thinking for them or a very rigid church structure even as too a KJV only study. Some like a church headquarters based close to where you are located believe there must be spiritual manifestations {gifts} as roof of salvation. One from that sect did some damage to someone I love where it took me many years to undo it. How many Christians do you know would walk up to a quadriplegic and say too them your lack of faith is why you are not healed? And people worry about Mormons?
Face it, ya’ll are reduced to telling him what he believes. That’s a losing argument.
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