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To: MarkBsnr; metmom; boatbums; CynicalBear; caww
I don't know how many times this has been explained, but I can personally tell you I've explained it at LEAST a WHOLE LOT. One more time. And whether you choose to believe God's Word or not is up to you, but it doesn't change the FACT that you WILL find the answer in Scripture. In Acts, the transition Book you don't seem too keen on.

From Matthew through Acts 8 you will find Israel's prophesied and long awaited Kingdom promised to them and offered to them through Christ's earthly ministry and the day of Pentecost, up until the stoning of Stephen. Acts 8 ends with Stephen looking up into heaven, and seeing the glory of God, and Jesus Christ STANDING on the right hand of God. STANDING, NOT SITTING. WHY? Judgement was about to fall. Standing means judgement. Israel had allowed the murder of John the Baptist, demanded the murder of Jesus Christ, and actually murdered Stephan themselves. Strike three. They're out. Judgement time.

Except for one thing. Instead of judgement falling, God in His grace reached down and saved Saul, the chief sinner, as Paul called himself. Paul was saved and sent with a new commission, whereby Gentiles could be saved WITHOUT Israel. Purely on the finished work of Christ.

So, why did Paul go to the Jews first? And he did, all the way until Israel was finally blinded and set aside, in Acts 28. Until God proclaimed them "lo ammi", not my people. We have from Acts 10 to Acts 28 to find out what was going on with Paul and the Jews and the Gentiles.

Paul was commissioned to a two-fold ministry during the Acts period (Acts 9:15 with Acts 13:3, 47; 26:16-19). FIRST, Paul had a ministry of CONFIRMATION to the JEWS. That Jesus Christ was INDEED the Messiah. Remember, Paul was both Jew and Roman. Paul preached to the Jews concerning Jesus, the promised Messiah (Acts 13:14-41; 18:5; 26:22, 28:23). HENCE, Paul went to the JEW FIRST (Rom. 1:16 with Acts 13:5,24,46).

SECONDLY, Paul had a ministry of REVELATION. Paul preached the UNSEARCHABLE (UNPROPHESIED) riches of Christ (Eph. 3:8); that is, the gospel of the UNCIRCUMCISION (Gal. 2:7), or the ministry of reconciliation by grace alone (2 Cor. 5:18-19; Eph. 2:8-9). This means that Paul preached the dispensation (fellowship) of the mystery (Eph. 3:9).

Paul was sent out to proclaim "the gospel of the grace of God" (Acts 20:24; Eph. 3:1-3). While he CONFIRMED the FACT that Jesus was Israel's Messiah, he NEVER PROCLAIMED THE KINGDOM AT HAND OR OFFERED IT FOR ISRAEL'S ACCEPTANCE. BTW: NOR had the TWELVE UNTIL PAUL was given his commission, EVER PROCLAIMED THE GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD.

One more thing, for your consideration: The message and commission of the twelve was based on Israel's ACCEPTANCE of Christ. The message and commission of Paul was based on Israel's REJECTION of Christ.

Oh, and one more one more thing. Have you ever read in any of Paul's epistles that he was given authority to remit sins? He was an apostle. Yet you will not find a single Scripture that says Paul remitted sins. Have you ever wondered why?

200 posted on 04/20/2012 7:35:07 PM PDT by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: smvoice
>>I don't know how many times this has been explained, but I can personally tell you I've explained it at LEAST a WHOLE LOT. One more time.<<

And each time some new person sees it and begins a new journey of truth or someone needed to see it again for some verse or point. Don’t ever tire of posting that smvoice.

214 posted on 04/21/2012 6:41:05 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: smvoice
I don't know how many times this has been explained, but I can personally tell you I've explained it at LEAST a WHOLE LOT. One more time. And whether you choose to believe God's Word or not is up to you, but it doesn't change the FACT that you WILL find the answer in Scripture. In Acts, the transition Book you don't seem too keen on.

I believe God's Word (and God's word) wholeheartedly. It is the bleatings of failed Catholics that I regard worthy of some weighted consideration.

From Matthew through Acts 8 you will find Israel's prophesied and long awaited Kingdom promised to them and offered to them through Christ's earthly ministry and the day of Pentecost, up until the stoning of Stephen. Acts 8 ends with Stephen looking up into heaven, and seeing the glory of God, and Jesus Christ STANDING on the right hand of God. STANDING, NOT SITTING.

You mean Acts 7?

WHY? Judgement was about to fall. Standing means judgement. Israel had allowed the murder of John the Baptist, demanded the murder of Jesus Christ, and actually murdered Stephan themselves. Strike three. They're out. Judgement time.

Who says that Jesus standing means Judgement? Your thesis is getting rather thin on the proofs. Strike three is an American creation. Are you saying that God's actions in Biblical times prefigures baseball?

Paul was commissioned to a two-fold ministry during the Acts period (Acts 9:15 with Acts 13:3, 47; 26:16-19). FIRST, Paul had a ministry of CONFIRMATION to the JEWS. That Jesus Christ was INDEED the Messiah. Remember, Paul was both Jew and Roman. Paul preached to the Jews concerning Jesus, the promised Messiah (Acts 13:14-41; 18:5; 26:22, 28:23). HENCE, Paul went to the JEW FIRST (Rom. 1:16 with Acts 13:5,24,46). SECONDLY, Paul had a ministry of REVELATION. Paul preached the UNSEARCHABLE (UNPROPHESIED) riches of Christ (Eph. 3:8); that is, the gospel of the UNCIRCUMCISION (Gal. 2:7), or the ministry of reconciliation by grace alone (2 Cor. 5:18-19; Eph. 2:8-9). This means that Paul preached the dispensation (fellowship) of the mystery (Eph. 3:9).

Oh, now the tune has changed. Now Paul is to the Jews and the Gentiles. Play on.

One more thing, for your consideration: The message and commission of the twelve was based on Israel's ACCEPTANCE of Christ. The message and commission of Paul was based on Israel's REJECTION of Christ.

Oh dear, the tune has changed back. So none of the 12's activities to the Gentiles matters? Only Paul's activities to the Jews matter?

Oh, and one more one more thing. Have you ever read in any of Paul's epistles that he was given authority to remit sins? He was an apostle. Yet you will not find a single Scripture that says Paul remitted sins. Have you ever wondered why?

It wasn't his job. He said what his job was: to sell this new religion. Paul was a functionary of the Church - a loud and mouthy and pushy Herb Tarlek. With a loud plaid coat and wide tie and a blinding white grin.

It fell to Peter and the original Apostles to form the hierarchy of the Church - the keepers of orthodoxy. They started off rather shaky - even Paul had to remind them - but remember that it was to Peter that Paul had to turn and to get his vetting, and to get his blessing later on.

No, I shall reject your thesis. Scripture records Paul as the super salesman, being Jew to Jew and Greek to Greek. He is all things to all men. Peter tells us that to misinterpret Paul will lead to our destruction. The rubble of the Reformation and the ruin of the Restoration testify to the truth of this tidbit.

246 posted on 04/21/2012 4:26:54 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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