Posted on 04/07/2012 3:40:18 PM PDT by NYer
Ping!
This is a doctrine that the fundamental, independent, Bible-believing immersionist (Baptist-type) also believes. I don't know why, but this part was not in the Apostle's Creed of the Methodist denomination I was brought up in, nor were we taught it.
Hmmmm
awesome. Talk about follow-through.
I’m given to pondering what the disciples were thinking during these Three Days.
Where was Jesus? In the grave, dead. according to Matt.16:21 he wasn’t resurrected until the third day so until he actually was resurrected he was dead and did nothing and went nowhere
Peter was thinking "Dang! What am i gonna do now?! I'm not a very good fisherman. Never caught a thing unless Jesus told me where to put the net!"
Your literalism is ridiculous in its internal contradictions.
****Jesus did not descend into hell to deliver the damned, nor to destroy the hell of damnation, but to free the just who had gone before him. ****
True. He descended there to free those in that part of hades we call paradise (Abraham’s Bosom).
when HE ascended on high he took this train of captives with him.
He also said: "The dead, they know nothing." And several times refers to dead people as "sleeping". BTW, I could have sworn we used to say in Mass: "He descended into Hell." I always thought it was so Satan could torture him for 3 days.
I've seen another version of that painting, where Jesus greets the righteous in Hell, now freed by the Crucifixion.
I just can't grasp it at all.
What do the Mormons say about it? That he perhaps took the time to visit his brother?
So when did He preach to the 'spirits in prison' as outlined in 1 Peter, unless He did so during the three days?
It’s Matthew (and other inspired writers) that contradict the dogmas and creeds. There is no other way to take Matthew’s word other than literally.
“This is a doctrine that the fundamental, independent, Bible-believing immersionist (Baptist-type) also believes.”
Give us a Book, chapter and verse, will you?
I grew up in a very conservative, “immersionist” (Anabaptist derived) no music/no nonsense, evangelical, fundamentalist church.
I must have been napping when the sermon shouter preached about Jesus going down to Hell to save those who had the bad luck to die before He did.
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Without punctuation in the Greek this promise must be understood in the context of Jesus being dead for three days before being resurrected.
“He also said: “The dead, they know nothing.” And several times refers to dead people as “sleeping”. Indeed as the Congregator made clear in Eccl.
What is confusing is the attempts to force Scripture to fit the teaching and dogmas of men.
Even regular folks don't lay dead in a grave. Either we don't have souls and the dead rotting body lays in th e dirt and any "we" ended when it dead, so there's no one to experience being in the grave (in which case why are we discussing this?) - or, we have souls, and when the body drops and is buried and rots, "we" are nowhere near it (unless we have the ability to choose to haunt it, but we're still not in the rotting body.
That's us.
Way I figure it, Jesus has a few more options than we do.
But believe what you want.
Catholics believe (and so do I) that Christ’s body was in the grave, but his soul was alive and he went to free the good people who were waiting for him to be the first one into heaven.
One of the Gospels talks about the people rising from their tombs and roaming around Jerusalem, but not everyone could see them.
chuckle. I think he was hearing “Simon, Satan has demanded to sift you like wheat, but I have prayed that your faith would not fail...”
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