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To: JSDude1
Jesus did not need to be “born again” (in this very philosophical argumenmt) becuase 1) He is God and therefore perfect, Holy, Righteous, 2)He was never dead like us, before spiritual birth, because he never sinned. His connection to His Father was only ever broken (on the Cross-Halleluia) for our Sake, not His own! ~What amazing Love.

John 3 is probably one of the most misread Scriptures, and yet the answer is given in John 3:13.

Peter says in IIPeter 3 there are three different heaven/earth ages. The 'world' or 'age' that WAS according to Peter was destroyed. We are not told the 'date' when the world/age that WAS began or how long it lasted. What we are told is that Lucifer/Satan rebelled and a number of the sons of God followed him. Lucifer/Satan the first rebel was judged and sentenced to death.

Solomon in writing the book of Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done, is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, 'See, this is new?' it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.

Paul then gives a slightly different approach in Hebrews in this 'born from above' (NOT again) 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

So when was the 'soul/spirit' created? There is not one word in the description of the formation of the flesh body of the Adam, that hints or suggests his soul/spirit was newly created. It says that Adam's flesh body was not living until the breath of life, which means soul was breathed into his nostrils.

Christ fully expected that Nicodemus should understand what he was being told as demonstrated in verse 10 of John 3. Jesus answered and said unto him, "Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? (11) Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye received not our witness.

12 IF I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

The explanation comes in verse 13 And NO man hath ascended up to heaven, but He That came down from heaven, even the Son of man Which is in heaven.

Christ did not say verse 3 "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, Christ said "Verily verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born from 'above', he cannot *see* the kingdom of God."

Somebody at some point in time changed the word above to again and then a tradition became 'born again', when in fact every soul/spirit that has passed through this flesh age was born from above and only they will have opportunity to 'see' the kingdom of God.... There is nothing here that says all who 'see' the kingdom of God will enter. This is NOT a new doctrine, as Solomon among others wrote about it before Christ ever dwelled in a flesh body on this earth.

12 posted on 03/17/2012 8:10:26 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts

“when in fact every soul/spirit that has passed through this flesh age was born from above and only they will have opportunity to ‘see’ the kingdom of God”

No, you have a wrong docrtrine (and the statement above is not backed up by scripture), we in fact are born (the first time physically) dead, except for children who God makes an exception for, we do not know God untill “born again” which is the same as born from above.


19 posted on 03/18/2012 5:23:50 AM PDT by JSDude1
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To: Just mythoughts
So when was the 'soul/spirit' created? There is not one word in the description of the formation of the flesh body of the Adam, that hints or suggests his soul/spirit was newly created. It says that Adam's flesh body was not living until the breath of life, which means soul was breathed into his nostrils.

1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Be easier to carry on the conversation if you would believe what the bible actually says instead of what you want it to say...We have a body, a soul, and a spirit...

All people are born with a body, a soul, and a spirit...Christians however must be born again from above with the Spirit of God...Pretty simple, and true...Why do you have this fixation with the word 'again'???

20 posted on 03/18/2012 7:18:35 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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