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To: boatbums; CynicalBear; caww; smvoice; reaganaut
Some claim that anyone who has "affliction" in their life has let Satan in the back door through their own doubts, fears and unbelief. They also, wrongly, state that ANY affliction in a Christian's life is a signal that something is wrong or off kilter and it is that Christian's job to figure out where they have opened themselves up to that attack and work to close it off so that God can be free to bless them with every good thing. The truth, however, is much more realistic as well as being what the Word of God actually states.

And again, it gets back to who's getting all the attention. Is the focus on me trying to figure out if I have enough faith, the right kind, sin in my life, generational curses, strongholds?

Is it my circumstances? What I'm eating? Maybe organic? Pro-biotics? Maybe I'm toxic and need to detox? Maybe it's pesticides or jet trails.

Or worse yet, focusing on Satan, is he attacking? How? Does he have a stronghold? Am I being oppressed or possessed?

People frantically focusing on finding the *problem* of why they're not being healed so THEY can fix it and get the healing.

And the whole time, guess Who is NOT getting the attention?

The twenty-third Psalm gets quoted a lot, but I wonder if some skip past the line that says, "Tho I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, thou art with me." God doesn't remove the valley but walks through it with us.

What I find interesting about that Psalm is that right before the valley of the shadow of death, the verse before says, *He guides me in paths of righteousness for His name's sake. Though He lead me through the valley of the shadow of death...* almost like the paths of righteousness that He's leading us in TO US *seem* like the valley of the shadow of death to us.

What greater defeat will the devil have to face than one who, through the valley of the shadow of death, STILL trusts in the Savior? And you are so right, people who expect a bed of roses as their "birthright" never come to know that God and Savior.

A pastor I heard preach once talked about divine healing and this concept of having enough faith. The illustration he used was two women who go up for prayer for healing from cancer. The first woman gets healed. The second woman doesn't.

So who has the greater faith? The first woman who got healed? Or the second woman who didn't get healed and yet is still faithfully loving, serving, and following Jesus even though she didn't get what she wanted and maybe even dies from the cancer?

People can figure that being sick is allowing satan the victory, BUT even if that were the case, he's only won a battle, not the war.

I have learned to recognize his lies and reject them and that has only come through experience.

God is in it and God is good. God's goodness is because of who He is, not a matter of my opinion of how He is working or how I think He should be working in my life.

73 posted on 03/18/2012 9:27:06 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; presently no screen name; Kandy Atz
Maybe it would be helpful to those who insist that physical healing is God's promise to us today, and that lack of that healing is because of the believer's "own doubts, fears and unbelief", to understand Scripturally the reason for physical healing.

Jesus Christ healed. Peter healed. Paul healed. Those in the little flock were healed. New believers were healed. All before Acts 28, and the setting aside of Israel. One more time, including those believers at Corinth.

The question is: WHY were they healed? And why, after Israel was blinded, set aside, and became 'Lo Ammi" (not my people), were they NOT healed? The proof we have that those that were healed BEFORE Acts 28 lost that healing was that they are just as dead today as those who were NOT healed after Acts 28.

There is a reason for physical healing. It is the Millenial Kingdom. Those going into the kingdom will live for 1000 years. THEY WILL BE HEALED. THEIR BODIES WILL NOT DIE. So, why, did Christ, Peter, Paul heal the Jews before Acts 28? Why were those believers healed? BECAUSE UNTIL ISRAEL WAS FINALLY SET ASIDE, THE KINGDOM OFFER WAS STILL VALID FOR THEM. The SPIRITUAL AND PHYSICAL HEALING was part of that Kingdom promise and offer to them. And it will be AGAIN, after the BOdy of Christ is raptured, and GOd once again deals with Israel as a Nation. The tribulation. There WILL be PHYSICAL HEALING once again, as those tribulation saints endure to the end and go into the Kingdom upon Christ's return.

Physical healing has to do with THE PHYSICAL part of man. We are told during this age that the OUTWARD man perishes, though our INNER man is renewed day by day. To put no confidence in the OUTER MAN. We know that Christ is going to change our VILE BODIES like unto His glorious body when He comes for the Body of CHrist, but we are NOT going as physical people into the Millenial Kingdom. Israel is, however. Living, flesh, marrying and having children, all things that PHYSICAL MAN does, for 1000 years. Of COURSE, PHYSICAL HEALING will be necessary.

Israel was offered physical healing at the first coming of Christ, many were healed, they were offered physical healing after the Ascension of Christ, through the Disciples, many were healed, and they will be offered physical healing again, during the tribulation and Millenial Reign of Christ.

And ONCE AGAIN, I am NOT saying GOd does not heal today. He certainly does. For HIS purposes. It has nothing to do with any promise He made us, or covenant He made with Gentiles. Because He most certainly never made such a promise to us as He did to Israel. We have something much greater. We have all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ. And we are promised by Him to be kept from His wrath. But we are NOT promised by Him to be physically healed. Unless we are Israel, we are in the middle of the tribulation, and are about to enter into the Millenial Kingdom, to be a Kingdom of priests and a blessing to all nations for 1000 years.

80 posted on 03/19/2012 8:32:47 AM PDT by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: metmom; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; presently no screen name; Kandy Atz
Maybe it would be helpful to those who insist that physical healing is God's promise to us today, and that lack of that healing is because of the believer's "own doubts, fears and unbelief", to understand Scripturally the reason for physical healing.

Jesus Christ healed. Peter healed. Paul healed. Those in the little flock were healed. New believers were healed. All before Acts 28, and the setting aside of Israel. One more time, including those believers at Corinth.

The question is: WHY were they healed? And why, after Israel was blinded, set aside, and became 'Lo Ammi" (not my people), were they NOT healed? The proof we have that those that were healed BEFORE Acts 28 lost that healing was that they are just as dead today as those who were NOT healed after Acts 28.

There is a reason for physical healing. It is the Millenial Kingdom. Those going into the kingdom will live for 1000 years. THEY WILL BE HEALED. THEIR BODIES WILL NOT DIE. So, why, did Christ, Peter, Paul heal the Jews before Acts 28? Why were those believers healed? BECAUSE UNTIL ISRAEL WAS FINALLY SET ASIDE, THE KINGDOM OFFER WAS STILL VALID FOR THEM. The SPIRITUAL AND PHYSICAL HEALING was part of that Kingdom promise and offer to them. And it will be AGAIN, after the BOdy of Christ is raptured, and GOd once again deals with Israel as a Nation. The tribulation. There WILL be PHYSICAL HEALING once again, as those tribulation saints endure to the end and go into the Kingdom upon Christ's return.

Physical healing has to do with THE PHYSICAL part of man. We are told during this age that the OUTWARD man perishes, though our INNER man is renewed day by day. To put no confidence in the OUTER MAN. We know that Christ is going to change our VILE BODIES like unto His glorious body when He comes for the Body of CHrist, but we are NOT going as physical people into the Millenial Kingdom. Israel is, however. Living, flesh, marrying and having children, all things that PHYSICAL MAN does, for 1000 years. Of COURSE, PHYSICAL HEALING will be necessary.

Israel was offered physical healing at the first coming of Christ, many were healed, they were offered physical healing after the Ascension of Christ, through the Disciples, many were healed, and they will be offered physical healing again, during the tribulation and Millenial Reign of Christ.

And ONCE AGAIN, I am NOT saying GOd does not heal today. He certainly does. For HIS purposes. It has nothing to do with any promise He made us, or covenant He made with Gentiles. Because He most certainly never made such a promise to us as He did to Israel. We have something much greater. We have all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ. And we are promised by Him to be kept from His wrath. But we are NOT promised by Him to be physically healed. Unless we are Israel, we are in the middle of the tribulation, and are about to enter into the Millenial Kingdom, to be a Kingdom of priests and a blessing to all nations for 1000 years.

81 posted on 03/19/2012 8:40:15 AM PDT by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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