Posted on 03/16/2012 9:24:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Jesus Christ healed. Peter healed. Paul healed. Those in the little flock were healed. New believers were healed. All before Acts 28, and the setting aside of Israel. One more time, including those believers at Corinth.
The question is: WHY were they healed? And why, after Israel was blinded, set aside, and became 'Lo Ammi" (not my people), were they NOT healed? The proof we have that those that were healed BEFORE Acts 28 lost that healing was that they are just as dead today as those who were NOT healed after Acts 28.
There is a reason for physical healing. It is the Millenial Kingdom. Those going into the kingdom will live for 1000 years. THEY WILL BE HEALED. THEIR BODIES WILL NOT DIE. So, why, did Christ, Peter, Paul heal the Jews before Acts 28? Why were those believers healed? BECAUSE UNTIL ISRAEL WAS FINALLY SET ASIDE, THE KINGDOM OFFER WAS STILL VALID FOR THEM. The SPIRITUAL AND PHYSICAL HEALING was part of that Kingdom promise and offer to them. And it will be AGAIN, after the BOdy of Christ is raptured, and GOd once again deals with Israel as a Nation. The tribulation. There WILL be PHYSICAL HEALING once again, as those tribulation saints endure to the end and go into the Kingdom upon Christ's return.
Physical healing has to do with THE PHYSICAL part of man. We are told during this age that the OUTWARD man perishes, though our INNER man is renewed day by day. To put no confidence in the OUTER MAN. We know that Christ is going to change our VILE BODIES like unto His glorious body when He comes for the Body of CHrist, but we are NOT going as physical people into the Millenial Kingdom. Israel is, however. Living, flesh, marrying and having children, all things that PHYSICAL MAN does, for 1000 years. Of COURSE, PHYSICAL HEALING will be necessary.
Israel was offered physical healing at the first coming of Christ, many were healed, they were offered physical healing after the Ascension of Christ, through the Disciples, many were healed, and they will be offered physical healing again, during the tribulation and Millenial Reign of Christ.
And ONCE AGAIN, I am NOT saying GOd does not heal today. He certainly does. For HIS purposes. It has nothing to do with any promise He made us, or covenant He made with Gentiles. Because He most certainly never made such a promise to us as He did to Israel. We have something much greater. We have all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ. And we are promised by Him to be kept from His wrath. But we are NOT promised by Him to be physically healed. Unless we are Israel, we are in the middle of the tribulation, and are about to enter into the Millenial Kingdom, to be a Kingdom of priests and a blessing to all nations for 1000 years.
Some interesting insights on Job.
One is that there’s NO indication in Scripture that Job ever had knowledge of the behind the scenes things that were going on that we know about.
The other is that there’s nothing in Scripture that indicates in any way that what happened was an out of the ordinary event.
Satan is STILL the accuser of the brothers. He’s standing there accusing us to God just like he was accusing Job before God.
We are only privy to some activity in the spiritual realm on occasion but for the most part, we don’t KNOW the of the spiritual battle which rages around us. We are told of Satan’s wiles, his general MO, but not the details unless it’s a really obvious attack.
People are in no position to make blanket statements about spiritual realities that they have no idea about. Just like they can’t tell you what God is thinking about you.
Something of interest...When I was in another community the church had a guest Pastor who went thru the entire book of Job!! and that in an hour and half. I was atually bored out of my mind as he spoke with such a montone voice.
Well low and “Behold” there was another guest sitting in the pews and he was a listener. Somehow, someway the Lord reached this mans heart thru Jobs life... he gave his life to the Lord as a direct result of that hearing....and went even further as much later on served as a Deacon in that very church. Not to mention those he lead to the Lord as a result of his calling.
Needless to say I was greatly humbled for gumbling about this whole service...
I have learned never to under estimate how God will use His word in any book or portion of his Word....this man had complete spiritual “healing” and for that his life affected others and does to this day.
So we never know how God is really working behind the scenes.....but we do know His Word does not go out from him Void but accomplishes what HE sets it to do.
At best we can speculate but we never do know and won’t until that day when we meet Him...and then what will it matter? More important that we act on what is clearly written and know.
What recourse would Job have it he knew it was satan?
Satan is STILL the accuser of the brothers. He’s standing there accusing us to God just like he was accusing Job before God.
He never stopped doing his job. What recourse do we have?
What was missing in this Chapel? The gospel of the grace of God. The GOSPEL of our salvation. Everyone looking for a physical healing. ANd the Gospel remains quietly in the corner, prayed by myself, that those would come to the saving knowledge of Christ's finished work on their behalf. THe MIRACLE has already happened. I spoke quietly to a few of them, but they did not seem interested. Not today. Today they are looking for a physical healing. Tomorrow it may be too late for either.
Why don't you good "miracle healERS" come to MD ANDERSON and cause these people to be made whole again? They're waiting for a miracle. Something they can SEE, FEEL, SMELL, TASTE, and HEAR. THe fact that Christ died for their sins, was buried and rose again for their justification? Not so much. The fact that God wants reconciliation with man through the finished work of His Son? Not right now. THe ONE MIRACLE that will give them eternal life is the ONE MIRACLE they don't seem so interested in. Maybe after they are "healed" will they listen to the gospel. If they live that long.
I had tears welling up in my eyes reading that smvoice. I remember so well when I was very young, from 2yrs to 11yrs while I was going through all the operations because of my polio. I remember the times my parent would wheel me down to the little chapel or have the pastor there to pray with them. It’s as if it was only yesterday. I can remember the prayers that I would be given strength and peace and that what I was going through would be used for God’s glory. They prayed that God would give them strength to get through the tough times ahead and that He would supply all that would be needed. But most of all I remember how they prayed that God would be uplifted through all that was happening.
God Bless!
smvoice
My first inclination to your question is to ask, are you just asking or do you really want to know what I think? For some reason a few of you think ANY answers that disagrees with your views are insults, though no one has insulted you. You have also answered my comments with quips that tell me, "Who are you to teach me anything? Do you think you know everything?", and so on. So, if you are able to put aside those false contentions, I would be more than happy to discuss this issue with you. However, I will not spend time doing that unless I have some assurance from you that this is both an honest question and that I have a right to my beliefs about it just as you all have been. Deal?
You know, if God healed at everyone’s beck and call, all that would happen would that people would be using Him just for what they can get out of Him.
The same kind of mentality the name it and claim it crowd seems to have.
In the meantime, I will say with Job, though he slay me yet I will trust Him.
You know, I was thinking that we think death is about the worst thing that can happen to someone and for someone who is not saved, yes, that is true, but death is not to God what it is to us.
For God it’s about eternal separation from Him. Our physical death as believers amounts to *absent from the body is to be present with the Lord*. We already died to self spiritually and are alive to God in Christ. God cannot be charged with murdering His children because physical death occurs.
Amen, mm. AMEN!
What you said made me think about Obama's health care proposals that include "no preexisting conditions" clauses. What that basically does is force an insurance company to pay for your health care EVEN if you just came down with a exorbitantly expensive type of disease. You could refuse to get any health insurance until you found out you were sick and then the insurance company would HAVE to accept you and cover your costs. Or, think if automobile insurance companies or homeowner insurance was stuck with this. You don't need car insurance until the day you get in a wreck, then you sign up and they have to pay for it. Your house burns down so you go and get homeowners insurance the same day and they have to replace it???
I DO think this kind of thinking is rampant with the name it/claim it folks. What I can't understand is why so many people fall for it when so few ever reap the promised results and they are usually those who are part of the "ministry" in the first place. Almost like the investment expert who makes his money, not investing, but by getting people to buy his books and attend his seminars telling them how they can get rich in the stock market.
Everything I have learned from Scripture on this point is that God is much more interested in eternity than he is in the here and now. This lifetime is but a moment compared to eternity and if I had to choose between a cushy, lavish, pain free life on earth and eternity with my Savior that comes with his words saying, "Well done my good and faithful servant.", Imma gonna go with the latter!
You just 'tried' with your reply.
I would be more than happy to discuss this issue with you.
There is nothing to discuss - ONLY BELIEVE.
I will not spend time doing that unless I have some assurance from you that this is both an honest question and that I have a right to my beliefs about it just as you all have been.
LOL!!!!!
I agree, there IS nothing to discuss which was exactly my reason for replying to you as I did. It was not an insult and, if that is how you interpreted it, then you may have your priorities wrong. And I DO believe - in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, who promises that whatever HE allows in my life will be for good. I have learned that in whatever state I am, therewith to be content and I am.
II Corinthians 12:9-10
But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
Galatians 4:13-15
As you know, it was because of an illness that I first preached the gospel to you, and even though my illness was a trial to you, you did not treat me with contempt or scorn. Instead, you welcomed me as if I were an angel of God, as if I were Christ Jesus himself. Where, then, is your blessing of me now? I can testify that, if you could have done so, you would have torn out your eyes and given them to me.
II Corinthians 10:10
For his letters, say they, are weighty and powerful; but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech contemptible.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!..... I would be more than happy to discuss this issue with you.
It was not an insult and, if that is how you interpreted it, then you may have your priorities wrong.
YOU brought up 'insults' in your previous post, not I. Keep in honest here. "But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart"
I have learned that in whatever state I am, therewith to be content and I am.
Good. Then no more whining about how some are so hurt by others. Big improvement.
By all means let's keep it honest. Go back and reread your posts to Kandy Atz "sympathizing" with him about all those "others" who resort to insults and other un-Christian behaviors. That, my dear, is my reference. Other than that point, you have shown repeatedly that no one can "tell", "teach", "preach" or demonstrate anything to you and that is the sole reason for saying there is nothing to discuss with YOU. I am more than happy to discuss the issue and keep on discussing it as long as there is the need to and the interest is there. You can skip on past whatever disturbs you, it's not FOR you anyway.
And my follow up post to him I'm sure you are not blessed by some comments while you took YOUR time to compose a worthy post.
And then he received even more comments like.....Why don’t you just answer the questions instead of dancing around them? AND We aren’t interested in your long rambling blame shifting accusations of other believers and many others.
And my exhortation of him for his good posts is YOUR FOCUS and not on the posts accusing him of dancing around and oozing of judgement and condemnation - when they did not!
Why would that be? Could it be an opposing view expressed truthfully that I exhort and you can't handle? KEEP IT HONEST!
God died ONCE for ALL and "By My Stripes you were healed" applies to ALL. That is the TRUTH and no one can change it by their circumstance or beliefs, nor their condemning and manipulative freeps.
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