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To: Natural Law

“A “Hail Mary” is not a recitation of Scripture.”

Actually, where I was going with that was that it is a type of football play. ;-)

But to the scriptural part, I consider it almost satanic in it’s effect. Satan loves to twist God’s words. He did it with Eve and he did it with Jesus (40 days in the wilderness). And the Hail Mary does that with the addition of “pray for us sinners...”.

The reason is that without that part, one is merely quoting scripture - something an angel said to Mary. Adding that part completely changes the meaning. It is as if the whole thing is being said TO Mary, rather than a mere quoting of scripture. It is also in the category of “disinformation”. That is, something true is coupled with something fabricated, giving credibility to the fabricated part.

Regarding the scripture part: The actual scripture is here:

Luke 1:28
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

That scripture is saying, and I paraphrase: Hey, you have been chosen by God to be blessed. That is special and makes you extremely fortunate.

Regarding Luke 1:42. 43
“And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.

And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?”

Who would not be blessed to be the woman whom God chose to bear the Natural part of Jesus? She was not chosen because she was blessed. She was blessed because she was chosen.

Regarding 1:43. What you quoted is not what it says. I see nothing that can be translated to ascribe holiness to Mary.


292 posted on 03/12/2012 10:21:46 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf
"The actual scripture is here:"

Are you saying that the Archangel Gabriel spoke King James English to a 14 year old Hebrew girl in 1st century Nazareth or do you allow for some flexibility in the actual words used as recited in the Ave Maria (Hail Mary)?

I don't want to get into an argument over the Protestant Sola Scriptura approach to the Revealed Word or in any way compromise my Catholic belief in the Sacred Tradition from which the Scripture was produced. I simply want to accurately state Catholic teaching. Once we have agreement on what the Church teaches we can have a discussion over the relative merits of it, but Catholics cannot compelled to defend error.

297 posted on 03/12/2012 10:45:43 AM PDT by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: cuban leaf
Satan loves to twist God’s words. He did it with Eve and he did it with Jesus (40 days in the wilderness). And the Hail Mary does that with the addition of “pray for us sinners...”.

is that anything like "for thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory....added onto the Lord's Prayer????

316 posted on 03/12/2012 12:30:53 PM PDT by terycarl (lurking, but well informed)
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