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Posted on 03/09/2012 10:46:28 AM PST by Quix
I'm a bit loathe to wade into such again. However, The Lord HAS brought to my awareness a couple of things this past week that kind of goad me into posting. I'm MORE loathe to allow Holy Spirit to go unrepresented on such scores on FR after the recent thrashing His works received on that other locked thread.
I'm NOT interested in going around and around with the more irrationally and unBiblically harsh posters on that other thread. They will likely arrive and rant as they did on that thread. I may or may not respond with pics and gifs. I don't plan to engage them with yet more futile words.
And, the chronically, habitually, generally carpy naysayers can just go suck rock candy or lolly pops. Their reaping is already scheduled. If they want to earn more of such from The Lord, that's their business.
I know the authenticity of Holy Spirit's gifts and workings in my own life. I have to be responsible to His interactions with me and leadings of me in my own life. And, as I feel led, to speak up in behalf of His gifts in this era.
I don't feel responsible to try and bore a hole and pour it in. And, I am not inclined to get two bricks and try and make the camel drink water. Doesn't work with women anyway.
That said . . .
I learned this week that the wife of a close relative of mine was miraculously healed in a Kenneth Copeland service. She had a serious case of . . . [serious]. . . cancer in advanced stages and was not expected to live. Her blood count was 5 but I don't know what aspect of her blood count was 5. Maybe I'll find out and post it later.
My relative had escorted her to the front row where she sat, unable to stand and looking like 'death warmed over' in extreme weakness.
Kenneth instructed his wife Gloria to go down and lay hands on her. She was immediately and totally healed. She went to the Doc for an already scheduled appointment the next day. He said there was no sign of cancer anywhere in her body and that he was dumfounded as he was never wrong.
As I understand it, the medical verification documentation is quite conclusive. She may even publish it all in her own narrative in due course. I'm not inclined to give more info for my privacy.
I think I learned that this last Tuesday evening.
Last Wednesday evening at church, Pastor related the following narrative.
She had been on a mission trip to Guatemala. In one of their gatherings in one of the poorest churches--a ramshackle tin building affair . . . a local church member began to give a message in tongues. This person had never learned English at all.
The woman spoke quite clear English and told of how God was going to give them a newer larger building much better for their church.
The woman had no idea what she had said. When Pastor's team told her what she'd said, she broke down almost in convulsions for joy and in humility over the Lord using her so to bring such a longed for message to her congregation. As I understand it, that did then transpire exactly as she'd declared in a language she did not know.
On the same mission trip, they went to a very wealthy church led by a Pastor who lived in a wealthy home with marble walls etc. Pastor visited the man's opulent home.
Holy Spirit spoke to Pastor and told her that the man was having an affair with his secretary and that Pastor must confront him and call him to repentance. Pastor has a very powerful prophetic gifting though is not per se a prophet.
Pastor told their local tour guide who was in personal relationship with all the pastors of the churches they visited--including this wealthy one. She replied to Pastor: "You'd better be right!"
Pastor confronted him and he admitted it. He did not repent but justified it with sleezey rationalizing that he was 'supposed to love the sheep.'
I felt when Pastor related the story that the man has since, rather soon after that, died but I haven't verified that even with Pastor. She may not know.
It ‘s quite amazing the stonghold on these followers of false teachers and are not hearing what they are saying....it’s like they have a mental block that prevents them from hearing what they are saying...and even after they’re shown word for word what they are saying, and clearly so, they simply cannot get their mind around the fact their “leader” would say such diabolical things...
....and that is exactly why the brainwashing and mechanics ,which are implemented by these teachers, are not only repeated many times...but these teachers “share” between themselves the tactics they use to keep people in bondage too them. All the markings of a Cult leader are matched to these deceivers.....and even then their followers will defend them....Stunning denial!
You've been here how long . . . .
And you're still so freely violating the rule against stalkingly carrying junk from thread to thread?
You've been told to quit making things personal and you continue to VERY AGGRESSIVELY, CHEEKILY do so.
INCREDIBLE.
I only ever see one passage that the entire premise of tongues is based on. Never any two or three “witness” passages that scripture suggests should be used. A shaky foundation for sure.
That was an excellent post Lx.
A stunning example of the judgment and condemnation on those *have not’s* by the *have’s* simply based on outward sign of experiences.
That is EXACTLY what I’ve mentioned in my posts before of what is wrong with the whole tongues/charismatic movement. It is used to judge other’s level of spirituality based on experience, exactly what tongues was NOT intended for.
Tongues is a sign for unbelievers, not a tool with which believers are to judge each other by.
Finish quoting the verse to display any integrity.
Here it is....
1 Corinthians 14:5 I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified.
Paul saying he wishes that everyone could speak in tongues ≠ God commanding it and saying that it's a sign of the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
The only way someone can determine whether someone else had an authentic Holy Spirit experience is if that experience lines up with Scripture and since virtually all of what it taught and practiced in regards to tongues does NOT, then it by default cannot be an authentic Holy Spirit experience, especially if tongues is instigated by making noises to *get warmed up*.
The charismatic movement is as guilty of putting experience (aka traditions of men) above Scripture as any cult relying on extra-Bibilical sources.
Calling out the straw dog pack again, I see.
More straw dog “arguments.”
How do you know it’s from the Holy Spirit? What if it is a demon speaking inside you? You don’t know what you’re saying so for all you know, you could be cursing God. Now, I don’t think you want to curse God but if you speak in tongues to God and have no idea what you’re saying, there’s no guarantee you’re speaking words inspired by the Holy Spirit.
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That is an excellent question. I deal with this with Mormons. They constantly claim that the “Holy Spirit” testified of the truth of Mormonism, Book of Mormon, etc. But they can never answer HOW they know it is of God. The danger of relying on feelings as proof of something is true, is we can be deceived.
I’m sorry Quix but they are not. They are legitimate questions and concerns.
Pointing out that you are a UFO kook goes to the credibility of the one testifying, namely, YOU!
Now, you're pathetically playing the injured party because no one buys your incredibly flawed interpretation of the Holy Bible.
Since you basically followed your usual UFO script, what did you think was going to happen?
The fact that you twisted yourself into a pretzel to avoid your belief in UFOs is very telling.
Finally, that teenage, diary font you use makes you look like a twelve year old EMU girl.
So, are you going to run to the mods again to censor anything you think paints you in a bad light? Yet I haven't seen anyone whine like you do over your posts critical of others.
Don't you have some crop circles to 'verify' as to their origins?
Funny how everyone virtually ignores this verse
Everyone but......no pride there./s
I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy.
They don't cancel out each other nor does it say NOT to speak in tongues, if fact, it says the opposite. Nor does it say you MUST speak in tongues.
The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified.
Exactly. You need an interpreter so the church can understand what was spoken in tongues and, therefore, be edified. So having someone speaking in tongues WITH an interpreter in a church setting and someone speaking prophesy to the church are the same - they both edify the church.
IMO, those with the gift of prophesy is better (as Paul states) for the church as they can do it SOLO.
Attitude and spirit embedded in questions count a lot to me.
Besides that question has been answered on numerous threads like this in the last 10+ years. I don't need to answer it again for the umpteenth time.
There are plenty of other sources folks can get an adequate answer to that on.
CHRIST DID NOT answer the pharisees with such questions--even if folks in the crowd might have benefitted from such an answer.
INDEED.
AS I’ve always agreed.
Some folks would have blank posts if they didn’t post their relentless straw dog posts.
The ‘religious’ crowd rebuking the one who can ‘see’.
Gee, times haven’t change. Simple faith vs. the religious.
Couldn’t you come up with something more mature than a kindergarten picture post?
Comparing experiences to Scripture to see if they’re Biblically sound and from God is strawdog arguments?
Quix, you are in BIG trouble.
Some has called you a kook, some questioned your teachings skills, some implied you are wrong, you are deceived, listen to ‘them’ and blah, blah and YET you are being badgered to answer their legitimate questions. You can’t make this stuff up!! LOL!!!
I’d do it but back to work for me. That’s a good word you posted earlier about the blind man. I took a break and read in my bible some more. When you meditate on it, it certainly tells a story.
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