Kenneth Copeland; Tongues as Languages Not Learned etc

That curious, mystifying space between Quix's ears | 9 MAR 2012 | Quix

[Quix]

I'm a bit loathe to wade into such again. However, The Lord HAS brought to my awareness a couple of things this past week that kind of goad me into posting. I'm MORE loathe to allow Holy Spirit to go unrepresented on such scores on FR after the recent thrashing His works received on that other locked thread.

I'm NOT interested in going around and around with the more irrationally and unBiblically harsh posters on that other thread. They will likely arrive and rant as they did on that thread. I may or may not respond with pics and gifs. I don't plan to engage them with yet more futile words.

And, the chronically, habitually, generally carpy naysayers can just go suck rock candy or lolly pops. Their reaping is already scheduled. If they want to earn more of such from The Lord, that's their business.

I know the authenticity of Holy Spirit's gifts and workings in my own life. I have to be responsible to His interactions with me and leadings of me in my own life. And, as I feel led, to speak up in behalf of His gifts in this era.

I don't feel responsible to try and bore a hole and pour it in. And, I am not inclined to get two bricks and try and make the camel drink water. Doesn't work with women anyway.

That said . . .

I learned this week that the wife of a close relative of mine was miraculously healed in a Kenneth Copeland service. She had a serious case of . . . [serious]. . . cancer in advanced stages and was not expected to live. Her blood count was 5 but I don't know what aspect of her blood count was 5. Maybe I'll find out and post it later.

My relative had escorted her to the front row where she sat, unable to stand and looking like 'death warmed over' in extreme weakness.

Kenneth instructed his wife Gloria to go down and lay hands on her. She was immediately and totally healed. She went to the Doc for an already scheduled appointment the next day. He said there was no sign of cancer anywhere in her body and that he was dumfounded as he was never wrong.

As I understand it, the medical verification documentation is quite conclusive. She may even publish it all in her own narrative in due course. I'm not inclined to give more info for my privacy.

I think I learned that this last Tuesday evening.

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Last Wednesday evening at church, Pastor related the following narrative.

She had been on a mission trip to Guatemala. In one of their gatherings in one of the poorest churches--a ramshackle tin building affair . . . a local church member began to give a message in tongues. This person had never learned English at all.

The woman spoke quite clear English and told of how God was going to give them a newer larger building much better for their church.

The woman had no idea what she had said. When Pastor's team told her what she'd said, she broke down almost in convulsions for joy and in humility over the Lord using her so to bring such a longed for message to her congregation. As I understand it, that did then transpire exactly as she'd declared in a language she did not know.

On the same mission trip, they went to a very wealthy church led by a Pastor who lived in a wealthy home with marble walls etc. Pastor visited the man's opulent home.

Holy Spirit spoke to Pastor and told her that the man was having an affair with his secretary and that Pastor must confront him and call him to repentance. Pastor has a very powerful prophetic gifting though is not per se a prophet.

Pastor told their local tour guide who was in personal relationship with all the pastors of the churches they visited--including this wealthy one. She replied to Pastor: "You'd better be right!"

Pastor confronted him and he admitted it. He did not repent but justified it with sleezey rationalizing that he was 'supposed to love the sheep.'

I felt when Pastor related the story that the man has since, rather soon after that, died but I haven't verified that even with Pastor. She may not know.

[Quix]

HALLELUJAH! HALLELUJAH! HALLELUJAH!
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

!ABSOLUTELY INDEED!
BY ALL MEANS!
FOLKS SHOULD DO
WHAT SEEMS RIGHT TO THEM
VS
WHAT SEEMS WRONG!
!LOL!
THX THX!
GODSPEED!
May God draw you ever closer to Himself
And to His perfect comprehensive truths
and revelations that would most bless
your walk with Him.

[Quix]

Hadn’t thought of that.

Sad to see.

[boatbums]

Bearing false witness? Please show me where I ever said anyone was ‘entirely Biblical.’ Mangling my words is no more honorable than mangling Scripture.

It started with your thread titled "Kenneth Copeland; Tongues as Languages Not Learned etc." Then with your response to Kandy Atz who said to Fishtank:

To: fishtank

He’s a false teacher, a deceiver and a fraud.

Its interesting that Jesus received almost the same reception from the Jewish leaders, "theologians" and Experts in the Law and he was the Son of God!

And the same type of behavior targeted the early Church:

So they called the apostles back in and commanded them never again to speak or teach in the name of Jesus. Acts 4:18 -- Good thing John & Peter listened to God and not the religious leaders.

I would suggest you leave the judgement to God. Or take the wise words of Gamaliel to heart:

And if that is not enough, consider Jesus' words to Paul when he asked him why he was persecuting HIM. Jesus takes attacks against the Body of Christ, HIS body personally.

I don't care if you like, follow or ever support Kenneth Copeland. But he is a man of God, a faithful teacher of the Word, and a child of God. And as a Christian, which I assume you are, he at least deserves the same love God has for you.

27 posted on 03/09/2012 5:07:38 PM PST by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")

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To: Kandy Atz Anointedly put.

PRAISE GOD for your Faithfulness to His Word; His priorities; His kids.

38 posted on 03/09/2012 6:56:01 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)

Others can read through this thread for the rest of your praises for Copeland so I have NOT lied about it nor have I mangled your words, just reading what you post.

[presently no screen name]

naysayers chronically sound like they KNOW 1,000% EXACTLY AND PRECISELY WHAT EVERY word and nuance on a Biblical issue means to the nth degree.

Accused other of saying they are gods, yet they ACT like gods. "We know in part....."

"The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know." 1 Cor 8:2

What happens when they get to that part. LOL!!!!

[Quix]

Welllllll

Thanks for documenting that I did

NOT SAY

anyone was

“ENTIRELY BIBLICAL.”

That’s just not a phrase I’m likely to use and certainly not to use casually, thoughtlessly.

I don’t even say that of my most beloved pastors over my 65 year life! LOL.

And, as hard as I try to be so, I’d probably not even say that about myself.

In short, BB, I don’t think

you

“get it.”

[presently no screen name]

LOL!!!

Hopefully, the poster leaves the door open.

[Quix]

HINT:

“Anointedly put” is NOT EQUAL to “entirely Biblical.”

In my dictionary . . .

“entirely Biblical” = more or less “100% Biblical.”

I haven’t ran into ANY mortals I have observed reach that level of Biblical purity. I don’t think there are any this side of eternity.

Thanks for proving so extensively yet again that y’all have relatively little clue about what I write.

[presently no screen name]

That is true. You say one thing and they take it another. I’ve seen it here a few times just on this thread and now once, again.

Quix, are you speaking in tongues here. If so, I must be the interpreter because I understand you. LOL!!!!!!

[Quix]

Doesn’t it get tiring being so chronically wrong about me and what I write?

[Quix]

INDEED.

LOL.

THX THX.

BTW,

I just got this interesting link.

. . . will post elsewhere or in a FREEPMAIL . . . quake prediction . . . MARK OF THE BEAST etc.

[boatbums]

praying quietly under my breath in tongues persistently facilitated an insight or line of query from Holy Spirit that brought immediate breakthrough for the clients.

That's our God! At times we have no idea what we need and, of course, what to pray for but the Spirit does. He knows the end from the beginning. And your clients we blessed, also.

"Then God said to him: "Because you have asked this thing, and have not asked long life for yourself, nor have asked riches for yourself, nor have asked the life of your enemies, but have asked for yourself understanding to discern justice, behold, I have done according to your words; see, I have given you a wise and understanding heart, so that there has not been anyone like you before you, nor shall any like you arise after you."

Wow! So have I been in situations where I did not know which way to turn nor what to say and I prayed quietly, under my breath - in ENGLISH - and God answered my prayers and the Holy Spirit spoke through me, gave me insight and someone was saved, a problem was resolved, etc. You DO believe that God can do all that without it having to be in tongues, right? Do either of you think it MUST be only through tongues that a believer can "get through" to God?

[presently no screen name]

You DO believe that God can do all that without it having to be in tongues, right?

YES I KNOW!! Why do you always think you KNOW more than anyone else and ALWAYS feel the need to TELL someone something. Try the 'humble' Scripture - I don't think you got to them yet or you think they don't apply.

Do either of you think it MUST be only through tongues that a believer can "get through" to God?

There you go, again. LOL!!!!!!!!!

[Quix]

SURE.

I’ve experienced BOTH.

However, normally, when I’m mystified or stumped, I’ve already prayed all I knew to pray in English.

[boatbums]

So, in all your repetitions of these verses - ones which NO ONE is disputing happened - do you fail to include the verse that says “Whether there be tongues, they shall cease”??? So, if it IS a prayer language to God, why will it EVER cease? What has to happen for this ceasing to take place in your eyes?

[Quix]

LOL.

You got a big cheer and a laugh from my housemate on that one.

By all means, thanks for interpreting for me.

My wife used to have to do that a lot. LOL.

Housemate sometimes does that.

For some reason I rarely had that problem in counseling or in teaching. But often in other contexts. LOL.

[Quix]

Has partial

KNOWLEDGE

CEASED?

[presently no screen name]

Good, so you got what you expected.

[presently no screen name]

Well I understand them .

One accuses of you dragging them in, someone else says it open so they can post (like you said they couldn't LOL), another says you are haughty, another accuses you saying biblical perfected when you say anointed. I could go on but I think God made have confused the enemy here.

LOL!!!

[boatbums]

No imagined anything, just reading what you say.

[Quix]

Wrong.

You ascribed YOUR inferences and assumptions about the words I used

to me.

Not cool.

And even when I corrected you above, you still deny me what

I MEANT WITH *MY* WORDS.

Incredible.