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Posted on 03/09/2012 10:46:28 AM PST by Quix
I'm a bit loathe to wade into such again. However, The Lord HAS brought to my awareness a couple of things this past week that kind of goad me into posting. I'm MORE loathe to allow Holy Spirit to go unrepresented on such scores on FR after the recent thrashing His works received on that other locked thread.
I'm NOT interested in going around and around with the more irrationally and unBiblically harsh posters on that other thread. They will likely arrive and rant as they did on that thread. I may or may not respond with pics and gifs. I don't plan to engage them with yet more futile words.
And, the chronically, habitually, generally carpy naysayers can just go suck rock candy or lolly pops. Their reaping is already scheduled. If they want to earn more of such from The Lord, that's their business.
I know the authenticity of Holy Spirit's gifts and workings in my own life. I have to be responsible to His interactions with me and leadings of me in my own life. And, as I feel led, to speak up in behalf of His gifts in this era.
I don't feel responsible to try and bore a hole and pour it in. And, I am not inclined to get two bricks and try and make the camel drink water. Doesn't work with women anyway.
That said . . .
I learned this week that the wife of a close relative of mine was miraculously healed in a Kenneth Copeland service. She had a serious case of . . . [serious]. . . cancer in advanced stages and was not expected to live. Her blood count was 5 but I don't know what aspect of her blood count was 5. Maybe I'll find out and post it later.
My relative had escorted her to the front row where she sat, unable to stand and looking like 'death warmed over' in extreme weakness.
Kenneth instructed his wife Gloria to go down and lay hands on her. She was immediately and totally healed. She went to the Doc for an already scheduled appointment the next day. He said there was no sign of cancer anywhere in her body and that he was dumfounded as he was never wrong.
As I understand it, the medical verification documentation is quite conclusive. She may even publish it all in her own narrative in due course. I'm not inclined to give more info for my privacy.
I think I learned that this last Tuesday evening.
Last Wednesday evening at church, Pastor related the following narrative.
She had been on a mission trip to Guatemala. In one of their gatherings in one of the poorest churches--a ramshackle tin building affair . . . a local church member began to give a message in tongues. This person had never learned English at all.
The woman spoke quite clear English and told of how God was going to give them a newer larger building much better for their church.
The woman had no idea what she had said. When Pastor's team told her what she'd said, she broke down almost in convulsions for joy and in humility over the Lord using her so to bring such a longed for message to her congregation. As I understand it, that did then transpire exactly as she'd declared in a language she did not know.
On the same mission trip, they went to a very wealthy church led by a Pastor who lived in a wealthy home with marble walls etc. Pastor visited the man's opulent home.
Holy Spirit spoke to Pastor and told her that the man was having an affair with his secretary and that Pastor must confront him and call him to repentance. Pastor has a very powerful prophetic gifting though is not per se a prophet.
Pastor told their local tour guide who was in personal relationship with all the pastors of the churches they visited--including this wealthy one. She replied to Pastor: "You'd better be right!"
Pastor confronted him and he admitted it. He did not repent but justified it with sleezey rationalizing that he was 'supposed to love the sheep.'
I felt when Pastor related the story that the man has since, rather soon after that, died but I haven't verified that even with Pastor. She may not know.
Look in the mirror, Quix.....
PRAISE GOD.
More power to them.
LOL.
BTW, your reality testing on what you described does not match my own by a good margin.
I’ve been viewing some of the tribal rituals of pagan worshippers.....I thought you might find this one interesting, ...and there are others like it...of an
Mongolian tribesman who believes he is speaking in the voice of his God or Ancestor spirit. Note: the ha ha ha ho ho ho which is often times seen and heard at Pentacostal/Charismatic events though they claim it’s God’s Spirt.
You can go anywhere pretty much on the video and here this guy going hoho ha ha..etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arCsSdibW5s&feature=related
Which post in this thread have I whined in the least about folks not posting to me.
I have noted that in the posts that have been made, there’s not been any remotely fitting response to THE SCRIPTURES I’ve posted.
Perhaps naysayers have a hard time distinguishing between those two types of comments.
Sigh.
Two questions.....
One, sources to back up and verify that claim?
The other, why isn't it still going on now? Why aren't modern day faith healers going into hospitals healing the sick? You know, freely you have received, freely give........
For the record . . .
the naysayers are welcome to go chase a whole flock of ducks.
I’d be delighted to have a robust discussion of the topics more or less only with folks who have experienced such in a positive way.
I did NOT post this thread hoping IN THE LEAST to have another futile pile of efforts trying to have a genuine discussion with the naysayers. For all my flaws, I’m not THAT STUPID.
I posted the thread IN SPITE OF the naysayers and their Scripture shredding perspectives.
I felt an obligation and duty to The Lord to note the positive things to contrast with the naysayer’s comments routinely on such scores.
Of course, I expected the naysayers moths to the flame compulsions on this thread.
However, I’ve mostly avoided the back and forth exchanges on the same innane UNBIBLICAL statements of the naysayers that are chronically posted.
I’ve tried to limit my responses to them to newer aspects or items that I haven’t commented on before.
LOL.
Clearly.
And maybe it's high time it should be.
If your credibility is going to take a beating, at least let it be for preaching the gospel, not for going off the deep end over UFO's or signs or supporting teachers of heresy.
Why?
Ohhhhhhhhhh
I don’t KNOW . . . .
but perhaps . . . just possibly . . .
it has something to do with such a chronic naysaying attitude in so much of Christendom as is so liberally manifested on FR whenever the topic comes up.
Proverbs 16:18 Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.
Do you know they are being duped? Did they tell you or are you spreading what you heard. What are we taught about gossip? Those poor people, as you claim, can walk out if they feel they are being deceived. They have the Word.
Who cares about them anyway? They don't have to listen to him.
Hopefully, they listen to God if they care about themselves.
Anyone who claims to speak for God and claims to proclaim the gospel OUGHT to be and come under tremendous scrutiny to protect others from being led astray by them.
Yeah, like those on this thread?
Romans 12:3-8 3 For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned. 4 For as in one body we have many members, and the members do not all have the same function, 5 so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. 6 Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith; 7 if service, in our serving; the one who teaches, in his teaching; 8 the one who exhorts, in his exhortation; the one who contributes, in generosity; the one who leads, with zeal; the one who does acts of mercy, with cheerfulness.
That is what I hear too - I have thought for some time now that technology defines the false miracles predicted in the prophets. it is much easier for affluent western countries to rely on doctors and engineers than to keep their eyes on YHWH.
BTW, would appreciate an update. Been about to email you for one.
meh. nothing much to say... the framers are out- My little hovel in the woods looks like a house again. fighting my way through electrical and plumbing now... by next week it will start flying fast... sheetrock, tape & texture, paint... the week after that will be cabinets, doors, case & base... then I will be waiting on the floor guys (gonna farm that out... too old and decrepit to run a carpet kicker :P
And, I'll still let y'all be the one to tell
ALMIGHTY
OMNISCIENT
OMNIPRESENT
GOD
that HE made a big mistake.
Maybe He'll be thrilled to be corrected by such superior wisdom.
Scriptures above Quixicated because some seem to have mentally ripped them out of their Bibles for so long, it is as though they are not there.
Or maybe they are soooooooo uncomfortable and intolerant of those verses and phrases that they have to take a valium when reading I Cor 14.
Or maybe they REALLY ARE CONVINCED that Apostle Paul needed to submit his manuscript to them for editing before it was included in the Canon.
Or maybe they REALLY ARE CONVINCED that God just got HIS wires crossed when He transmitted I Corinthians to Paul.
Or maybe they just can't handle or refuse to handle God's way of doing things and so they have to rationalize it all away 12 ways to Sunday so they can sleep more smugly.
Or maybe they're just plain wrong and are toooo stubborn, self-righteous and proud about tongues to submit themselves to God and admit it.
If such Christians allowed satan to rob them of other Biblical truths on the basis of clunky demonstrations of such other Biblical truths in the flawed lives of other believers--they wouldn't believe a word in the Bible at all.
May God have mercy.
Good Lord....Kenneth Copeland?
he epitomizes the wrongs of flashy televangelism
private jets..flash...mansions and all the trimmings
why on earth do folks need such charlatans
the word of God is in scripture and his voice speaks inside of us all...all one need do is listen...and even when we stray as is my own wont...do not forget
sure some preachers are inspiring...many are ridiculous
why do folks need such a man to listen to and send the invariable cash to?
it’s not the work of God...quite the contrary
GREAT. Congrats on the progress. PRAISE GOD.
THX THX.
One, sources to back up and verify that claim?
NO. I HEARD IT. But if I get it in hard copy I will post it so you can dispute it. But not likely I will, because I don't want to be involved with anyone touching God's anointed, they can do it solo.
It is not all that different from the Roman Catholic doctrine of "development", which states that those dogmas taught now that were nowhere found in Scripture OR Apostolic Tradition were extra-biblical revelation that it took the church time to fully develop in their "understanding" of it. Anyone who claims to have "new" revelation from God should be rebuked and ignored. Sadly, too many people fall prey to their wiles, which are really those of the Devil. The true prophets of God NEVER made mistakes and NEVER had "do-overs" because, if they did, it proved they were NOT true prophets and God had a pretty high standard for his own. False prophets USED to be put to death. Today they get to live in luxurious mansions and fly on private jets to their magnificent yachts captained to whatever vacation spot they desire! How things have changed!
It would also be helpful to read and understand 1 Cor. 13:8-10; James 1:25; Col. 1:25, Eph. 3:1-9; Col 1:25,26; Rom. 16:25,26. Why are these so important to compare, Scripture with Scripture? Because they will show you that with the "revelation of the mystery" given to Paul, the Word of God is COMPLETELY DEVELOPED as to content. And miracles, signs, and wonders have ceased during this age, until the tribulation, when God is once again dealing with His sign nation, Israel.
pnsn: “Do you know they are being duped? Did they tell you or are you spreading what you heard. What are we taught about gossip? Those poor people, as you claim, can walk out if they feel they are being deceived. They have the Word. “
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2856901/posts?page=76#76
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2856901/posts?page=151#151
As for Copeland......
Quote on TBN, Kenneth Copeland.....“Dogs beget dogs cats beget cats, and God beget Gods, you are little Gods.”....
.And it not surprising when we have heard such surprising statements like this one from Copeland:
” That nature is like eternal in absolute perfection. ....And that was imparted, injected into your spirit man..... And you have that imparted into you by God just the same as you imparted into your child the nature of humanity. ......Well now, you don’t have a human do you? No, you are one..... You don’t have a god in you, you are one.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2856901/posts?page=156#156
Copeland also stated BY PROPHECY stating he was speaking for Jesus Christ to the people.... ......”Don’t be disturbed when people accuse you of being God, the more you get to be like me (Jesus) the more there going to think that way of you. They crucified Me for claiming that I was God. ......But I didn’t claim I was God.... I just claimed I walked with Him and that He was in Me.... Hallelujah.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2856901/posts?page=159#159
Copeland states:
“Jesus existed only as an image in the heart of God, until such time as the prophets of the Old Testament could positively ‘confess Jesus into existence’ through their constant prophecies” ....(Kenneth Copeland, The Power of the Tongue, pp. 8-10).
He further states:
“Here’s where we’re gonna depart from ordinary church:..... Now, you see, God is injecting His Word into the earth to produce this Jesus—these faith-filled words that framed the image that’s in Him…He can’t just walk onto the earth and say, “Let it be!” because He doesn’t have the right. He had to sneak it in here around the god of this world that was blockin’ every way that he possibly could.”...... (Kenneth Copeland, The Image of God in You III (Fort Worth, TX: Kenneth Copeland Ministries, 1989), audiotape #01-1403, side 2.
He continues by adding,...... “God was making promises to Jesus, and Jesus wasn’t even there. But, you see, God deals with things that are not yet as though they already were. That’s the way He gets them to come to pass.”...... (Kenneth Copeland, What Happened from the Cross to the Throne (Fort Worth, TX: Kenneth Copeland Ministries, 1990), audiotape #02-0017.)
Copeland states additionally and note the last sentence......”So before Jesus came to the earth, God spoke His Word and then spoke His Word again.... How many times did He say the Messiah was coming It was prophesied over hundreds, even thousands, of years. He kept saying, ‘He is coming. He is ‘coming..... the circumstances in the earth made it look as if there was no way He could accomplish it; but He just kept saying it. He would not be moved by what He saw.... God would not relent.” (the power of the tongue 9-10.) So here God spoke the universe into existence (which the Bible attributes to Jesus)...... but to make him a human it took a long time of confession.
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Copeland right out denies the deity of Christ here. That makes him a false prophet, a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
All I see from your response is more *blame the victim* mentality. It’s the fault of the people listening to him that they get duped because they didn’t check it out for themselves, never the fault of Copeland who is teaching known heresy.
And here many of us are, checking it out for ourselves using the Bible that you say they have to check, and we are getting castigated for it by the Copeland defenders.
Fine. Defend your teacher of heresy and don’t bother checking him out. But don’t expect the rest of us to be duped like that.
I know. All they have to do is not believe to speak in it. But they tell you, you can’t. LOL!!! Haughty indeed.
Let’s see. Ridicule the ministry God used to heal your cousin. And then ridicule the use of tongues. Then they ridicule you. Because ‘they’ live by The Word. LOL!
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