Kenneth Copeland; Tongues as Languages Not Learned etc

That curious, mystifying space between Quix's ears | 9 MAR 2012 | Quix

[Quix]

I'm a bit loathe to wade into such again. However, The Lord HAS brought to my awareness a couple of things this past week that kind of goad me into posting. I'm MORE loathe to allow Holy Spirit to go unrepresented on such scores on FR after the recent thrashing His works received on that other locked thread.

I'm NOT interested in going around and around with the more irrationally and unBiblically harsh posters on that other thread. They will likely arrive and rant as they did on that thread. I may or may not respond with pics and gifs. I don't plan to engage them with yet more futile words.

And, the chronically, habitually, generally carpy naysayers can just go suck rock candy or lolly pops. Their reaping is already scheduled. If they want to earn more of such from The Lord, that's their business.

I know the authenticity of Holy Spirit's gifts and workings in my own life. I have to be responsible to His interactions with me and leadings of me in my own life. And, as I feel led, to speak up in behalf of His gifts in this era.

I don't feel responsible to try and bore a hole and pour it in. And, I am not inclined to get two bricks and try and make the camel drink water. Doesn't work with women anyway.

That said . . .

I learned this week that the wife of a close relative of mine was miraculously healed in a Kenneth Copeland service. She had a serious case of . . . [serious]. . . cancer in advanced stages and was not expected to live. Her blood count was 5 but I don't know what aspect of her blood count was 5. Maybe I'll find out and post it later.

My relative had escorted her to the front row where she sat, unable to stand and looking like 'death warmed over' in extreme weakness.

Kenneth instructed his wife Gloria to go down and lay hands on her. She was immediately and totally healed. She went to the Doc for an already scheduled appointment the next day. He said there was no sign of cancer anywhere in her body and that he was dumfounded as he was never wrong.

As I understand it, the medical verification documentation is quite conclusive. She may even publish it all in her own narrative in due course. I'm not inclined to give more info for my privacy.

I think I learned that this last Tuesday evening.

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Last Wednesday evening at church, Pastor related the following narrative.

She had been on a mission trip to Guatemala. In one of their gatherings in one of the poorest churches--a ramshackle tin building affair . . . a local church member began to give a message in tongues. This person had never learned English at all.

The woman spoke quite clear English and told of how God was going to give them a newer larger building much better for their church.

The woman had no idea what she had said. When Pastor's team told her what she'd said, she broke down almost in convulsions for joy and in humility over the Lord using her so to bring such a longed for message to her congregation. As I understand it, that did then transpire exactly as she'd declared in a language she did not know.

On the same mission trip, they went to a very wealthy church led by a Pastor who lived in a wealthy home with marble walls etc. Pastor visited the man's opulent home.

Holy Spirit spoke to Pastor and told her that the man was having an affair with his secretary and that Pastor must confront him and call him to repentance. Pastor has a very powerful prophetic gifting though is not per se a prophet.

Pastor told their local tour guide who was in personal relationship with all the pastors of the churches they visited--including this wealthy one. She replied to Pastor: "You'd better be right!"

Pastor confronted him and he admitted it. He did not repent but justified it with sleezey rationalizing that he was 'supposed to love the sheep.'

I felt when Pastor related the story that the man has since, rather soon after that, died but I haven't verified that even with Pastor. She may not know.

[presently no screen name]

I just put on a shelf and wait for God to clarify, sort out, confirm, disconfirm, whatever.

Exactly. What we didn't understand last year, we understand now. We are always learning/growing. At least, some are.

I feel no need to get on my high horse about it in some sort of haughty judgmental prissiness.

Yep. Everyone else is wrong but them. The highty haughty holy crowd who has a religious spirit.

"I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in Me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father."

Quix, do you think we will get to do what Jesus is talking about here? If Copeland or anyone else does these greater things, we need to get our own website! LOL!!

Praise God for His Word.

[Quix]

True enough.

[Quix]

I don’t think the

REALLY

GREATER THINGS THAN THESE

times have actually begun yet. Maybe some of the preliminaries.

I think once the looming satanic global government has more overt control and is persecuting authentic Believers more, then I think God will loose Holy Spirit’s miraculous demonstartions and angelic interventions as never before.

Persecution seems to always correlate with more spiritual clout.

[Quix]

If I speak in tongues and other can't interpret what I have said then I'm not speaking in tongues.

That may be your personal interpretation and inference.

However, SCRIPTURE DOES NOT SAY THAT!

At most Scripture would say that the person was out of order to speak in tongues PUBLICALLY without and interpreter. !DOH!

And in terms of praying in tongues alone to God, your assertion has no application whatsoever.

[narses]

s

[presently no screen name]

I doubt he sits and worries about his detractors because he counts the numbers of the faithful, instead.

I agree. "Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord."

While he's about his Father's business, God takes care of his business when and how He sees fit.

As long as they adhere to the gospel then all is well.

Amen!!

[CynicalBear]

Do you honestly think the colored font and large print add to your credibility or gets more attention? What is the point of the font and colors? How about the all caps nonsense? Take a chill pill Quix. You seem to be coming unglued.

[Quix]

What a persistent affinity for personal attack vs dealing with the Scriptures I post.

Fascinating.

[Quix]

Evidently the

Vatican Ashteroth-Mary-Goddess cult followers have a hard time wrapping their understanding around the following Scriptures:

Exodus 20:4-6

King James Version (KJV)

4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

19.Micah 1:7
And all the graven images thereof shall be beaten to pieces, and all the hires thereof shall be burned with the fire, and all the idols thereof will I lay desolate: for she gathered it of the hire of an harlot, and they shall return to the hire of an harlot.

20.Micah 5:13
Thy graven images also will I cut off, and thy standing images out of the midst of thee; and thou shalt no more worship the work of thine hands.

[Quix]

Credibility is not a major concern of mine.

That’s mostly God’s department.

He insures that folks with eyes to see and ears to hear gain whatever nuggest of truth and Spiritual insight HE wants them to gain from my humble words.

Thankfully, my style does seem to help hide a number of pearls and gems like Christ’s parables did 2,000 years ago from similar mentalities.

And, being hated by those who refuse to walk persistently hand in hand with Him in His Spirit . . . goes with the territory regardless of what color or font I post in.

So, I enjoy doing it as He has made me, trained me, conditioned me. He knows what He’s doing with me. I only get occasional glimpses.

I certainly don’t expect naysayers to understand it 0.000000000000000000001%.

[Quix]

BTW, Congrats on another

slightly slick

avoidance of dealing with the Scriptures and issues much at all, much less in a rational, Biblical fashion.

[Lx]

I've heard you claim to have 30 years of experience as a psychologist, yet I can enter your mind and manipulate it at will.

Being a fool for Jesus tends to have a LOT of job security.

I see you're speaking from experience. Again, your holier than thou pronunciations where everyone who disagrees with you is in a league with the Devil is pathetic, the word attention w**re comes to mind.

Really, I thought Obama was the only person with that level of narcissism.

Physician heal thyself.

You might also learn to read the Bible as well since you proffer yourself as an expert yet with what I see from you, you haven't got a clue about the Bible. Quoting only scripture that supports your out there conclusions is quite lame. I do believe you are passing yourself off as someone who is an expert on the Bible and how we need to come to you to experience true salvation, really, that kind of arrogance is usually backed up by some time of ability, which I've yet to see from you.

Please keep the teenage girl diary fonts (and writing style) out of any discussion.

I see you are twisting yourself into knots avoiding the fact that you are a true blue UFO believer.

[Quix]

Perhaps

you could cite the post where I hired you

as

—my style coach
—my counselor
—my personal assaulter
—my court jester.

[caww]

You apparently overlooked Cynicalbear’s response to your scripture....as follows:

“As for your assertion about 1 Cor 14 I’ll just say that taken by itself one would expect to see speaking in tongues from most every believer. Taken in context with the entirety of scripture however not so much.”

193 posted on Sunday, March 11, 2012 5:30:01 PM by CynicalBear

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[Quix]

. . . not so much.

Soooooooo

How would

you

quantify

"not so much"

considering the counsel of the whole of Scripture?

God obviously already knows your heart and mind on that issue. But we don't. And I'm quite interested.

[presently no screen name]

How true. They want perfection and yet..LOL!

I haven’t been to his site yet but still rejoicing for your cousin. That is result of FAITH IN ACTION.

Indeed. If Copeland or anyone else waited until they had it all together, they wouldn’t step out in faith because we will never get it all together here.

[Quix]

I see you’ve been here probably longer than I have.

You likely know full well my perspective on most things I’ve written about.

Therefore . . . that leaves relatively few explanations for your demonstrated attitude and tone toward me . . . one of the more probable being . . . the likelihood that you may well be one of the group of mods or mod buddies who seem to stalk me with great hostility and vengeance.

Fascinating.

I’m glad that’s God’s department.

I’m flattered that I’m so entertaining to y’all.

[caww]

Credibility is not a major concern of mine....That’s mostly God’s department.

As the Christian you profess to be Quix your credibility should matter, profoundly so, for as Christians we reflect the Lord to an unbelieving world... and our fellow Christians. How you can possibly be unconcerned is not how the Lord has us to walk with Him as his representative...and certainly questionable since you claim Christ as your own.

He insures that folks with eyes to see and ears to hear gain whatever nuggest of truth and Spiritual insight HE wants them to gain from my humble words.

Have you at all considered that people for the most part would not glean if there's no truth in them to glean from? Which should warrent a look see at what you're presenting may very well be a distortion of the truth?

...And, being hated by those who refuse to walk persistently hand in hand with Him in His Spirit . .

Not one person on these threads has stated they hate you....stating so would evidence you're wallowing again...and does not invite reasoned dialogue... rather appears you are seeking sympathy while you're claiming victimhood...which thus far has been of you're own making and evidenced by the history of these threads on this subject.

Further you claiming that other Christians refuse to walk persistantly with the Lord is a grevious judgement you are in no position to make. Especially since credibility is of no concern to you.

Thankfully, my style does seem to help hide a number of pearls and gems like Christ’s parables did 2,000 years ago from similar mentalities.

Your style is far more transparent than you realize and does not require revelation to understand or see where you are coming from....I would question those as having pearls and gems as Christ spoke....if indeed there are those present at all... they are clearly noted to those in Christ.

He knows what He’s doing with me. I only get occasional glimpses.

The Lord very much would have us know far more than a glimpse of what he's doing with us Quix....we walk with Him and in fellowship with Him moment by moment and that with the guidancce of his word as our compass thru life....further He communicates His will to us and as much reveals to us what he would and chooses for us to follow Him in..... And for that we grow closer to Him and desire Him all the more....as we co-operate with Him..... He is not out there somewhere but up close and personal in our life...and that in all aspects.

[Quix]

ABSOLUTELY INDEED.

I was thinking in the shower . . . I know . . . all wet anyway . . .

turns out to be a more meditative place for me. LOL.

One of the things that hasn’t been discussed and won’t likely be very rationally nor fair-mindedly by the naysayers . . .

I think one of the most IMPORTANT functions of tongues is to connect our spirit more directly to God’s Spirit

without all the mental noise from our intellectual sphere.

I think Scripture alludes to that without spelling it out explicitly.

I just know that MANY times in my 65 years,

when I’ve been MOST BOUND UP IN MY MENTAL UNDERWEAR . . .

God has used praying in tongues as a way to break through all the mental noise and double binds with a greater initmacy with Him; a greater clarity from Him; a greater sense of direction, balance etc.

Similarly, I wasn’t often very stuck when counseling individuals, couples or families—by God’s mercy—He trained me well. However, the few times I was . . . praying quietly under my breath in tongues persistently facilitated an insight or line of query from Holy Spirit that brought immediate breakthrough for the clients.

PRAISE GOD FOR HIS FAITHFULNESS.

[caww]

I’m flattered that I’m so entertaining to y’all.

QUIX! What's the matter with you?....you are coming across as seemingly quite paranoid....Do you not truly realize how many people are trying to help you get unstuck from the place you are in?