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To: Colofornian

How could you interpret what I said as defending Mormon’s view of salvation.

Let me try to lay it out more clearly.

Mormon’s view of salvation is blasphemy. Mormonism is mostly blasphemy.

It is not up to you to condemn Hitler’s soul to hell. I don’t want ANYONE to go to hell and neither does GOD.


51 posted on 02/29/2012 7:17:59 PM PST by DManA
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To: DManA
It is not up to you to condemn Hitler’s soul to hell.

I don't have to "condemn" anybody that Scripture hasn't already condemned...or are you one of those who knows John 3:16 but couldn't tell anybody what John 3:18 says?

18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned ALREADY because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

What's "funny" is that you keep hinting that judgment seems to be only about a final one in heaven...when the condemnation process and the eternal life process BOTH begins on this side of the veil.

I don’t want ANYONE to go to hell and neither does GOD.

Not true. (How dare you try to speak for God on that matter when He's already spoken)

If you were a loving father and a doctor during the Black plague, quarantine would be THE loving thing to do. You wouldn't want to infect the entire populace under your false notion that quarantine is "anti-divine."

The devil, for example, made his own choice when he sinned. God, as a result, quarantined them (devil & his angels) from heaven.

He sent them to a temporary destination -- earth ["He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him." (Revelation 12:9)]...
...and He also designated them to an eternal destination which He prepared for them. ["‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire PREPARED for the devil and his angels.'" (Matt. 25:41)]

What? Are you claiming God does all these things that goes against His own will??? Why would God prepare a place of occupation to remain unoccupied? Are you really claiming by parallel comparison, that we don't want anybody to go to death-row, lifetime prison? Really? You mean the purposeful people who build prisons would prefer they remain unoccupied in your Pollyanna world?

Frankly, even looking @ the "better side" of what you might mean with that phrase, God the Father already dealt with His not-wanting-people-to-go-to-hell love on the cross. The cross was His means to staving off hell; but you reduce God to some poor-less-than-omniscient being -- as if He didn't know that the cross would not be apprehended by the entire human race. The blood of Christ covers all; the blood of Christ is rejected by some...Paul talked about "enemies of the cross," for example.

Your carte-blanche, lack-of-qualifiers commentary makes it sound like, if God forbid, your ENTIRE family & ALL relatives were massacred by a terrorist, you'd get up @ the sentencing hearing of his trial & would tell the world: "I don't want ANYONE to receive the death penalty or even life-in-prison and neither does GOD."

Wow! How naively noble-sounding...almost pious, even; yet how utterly ignorant of the universe & the entities that roam it.

Uh...Duh...Ya know, Jack, it just might be in the best interest of the rest of the human family...ya know...to actually look beyond YOUR own soppy sentimentalisms voiced on behalf of the devil, the demons, and various assorted anti-christs and actually conclude..."Oh, I guess you're right...God REALLY does want the human race to be protected from those like Satan who was 'a murderer from the beginning' (John 8:44)."

Is the Bible specific about people being condemned to hell as part of God's will? (Yup)

Sounds to me like you've got a little New Testament readin' to do...Let's focus on two verses first -- but then back up to see who these verses are talking about so that we have that context:
* 13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever. (Jude 13)
* 17 These people are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. (2 Peter 2:17)

If God doesn't want to protect the rest of the human race from the constant re-introduction of these spirits' mayhem...if He doesn't want to quarantine them...then why has God made such special "blackest darkness" reservations for them already???

What? You want these entities to be around mainstreaming with others forever??? Really??? Hmm...You sound like an overly idealistic rookie public defender or something.

Context: So...who are Jude & Peter talking about?

Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. 8 In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings...these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct—as irrational animals do—will destroy them. 11 Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion. 12 These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. 13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever. (Jude)

14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him...those who follow the corrupt desire of the flesh and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, they are not afraid to heap abuse on celestial beings; 11 yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not heap abuse on such beings when bringing judgment on them from the Lord. 12 But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born ONLY to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish. 13 They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you. 14 With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed—an accursed brood! 15 They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Bezer, who loved the wages of wickedness. 16 But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey—an animal without speech—who spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet’s madness. 17 These people are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. (2 Peter 2)

I guess, DManA, Jude & Peter must have missed your "Caveat Memo" to them...how immediately after Jude 13 & 2 Pet. 2:17, they should have added..."But even though these reservations have been made, God doesn't see any fulfillment coming because He's less than eternally sovereign and less than omniscient on these things. And, hey, what's 'tough love' in a 'tough universe,' after all?" -- Signed, DManA

76 posted on 02/29/2012 9:17:09 PM PST by Colofornian (An anti-FREEPER: That's a poster who says, "Let's elect one socialist to beat another!")
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