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To: fortheDeclaration
The churches aren't autonomous, they have to use the materials that the SBC supplies. It is you who is blowing smoke.

I AM a SBC minister...if you would like to FREEPMAIL me to confirm this...go right ahead. I work out of a 17K member church.

There is absolutely NOTHING true in what you have said. Churches do not HAVE to use the materials that the SBC supplies. I can prove that to you. I would try to prove it to you but something tells me you are a bitter independent/fundementalist baptist who wouldn't listen to no amount of evidence I put forth.

But here it goes anyway: In my ministry...I help rebuild churches that have seen better days...and I do not use "Lifeway" materials. I use stuff that I wrote with the blessings of my pastor.

MANY MANY MANY churches are that way. Unfortunately there are A LOT of churches who DO use lifeway materials and I myself don't like it. It squashes the ingenuity. HOWEVER...it by NO MEANS forced upon churches by the SBC. TO say so comes from a position of EXTREME ignorance or outright deceit.

So which one is it? Are you just ignorant...or are you intentionally lying? Again...while I do not LIKE the proliferation of Lifeway materials...Churches use them because they have become LAZY...not because they are forced to do so.

And EVERY SBC church is autonomous. The PROOF of this is they call the PASTORS they want to call. They call the STAFF they want to call. They build the BUILDINGS they want to build...and when they go under because of debt...THEY go under.

And I think YOU know they are AUTONOMOUS. So again...which is it? Are you ignorant? Or malicious?

So say millions of people are not Christians is a grevious error. And to say they are no Christian because they get together in association? WOW...I wasn't aware Christ or the Apostles listed THAT among the damnable heresies.

So...is that a NEW revelation?

87 posted on 02/22/2012 3:39:54 AM PST by NELSON111
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To: NELSON111

WHY I AM NOT SOUTHERN BAPTIST

1) THE DENOMINATIONAL SYSTEM ITSELF IS UNSCRIPTURAL.
The Lord’s apostles planted autonomous congregations and they did not build denominational structures yoking the congregations together. The New Testament gives detailed instructions for the government and discipline of the assembly, but there are no instructions for the establishment of intra- or extra-church institutions. Denominational structures are man-made entities that have no biblical authority.
http://www.wayoflife.org/database/whynotsbc.html


89 posted on 02/22/2012 3:55:37 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Burke)
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To: NELSON111

I didn’t say those in the SBC weren’t Christian, I said the SBC wasn’t Christian.


90 posted on 02/22/2012 3:57:16 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Burke)
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To: NELSON111

I didn’t say those in the SBC weren’t Christian, I said the SBC wasn’t Christian.


91 posted on 02/22/2012 3:58:36 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Burke)
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To: NELSON111; fortheDeclaration; Happy Rain

Thank you so very much for your explanation of how the Southern Baptist church works. Since you are in the bidness ;o), you are in a much better position than I am to debate these so called members of FR.

There’s another reason why I am so thankful to you is that I think you’ve outed a couple of sleeper trolls.

I don’t know anyone who has any credibility on FR who post such nonsense.

Happy Rain reminds me of Happy 2 B Me...long banned.


108 posted on 02/22/2012 11:46:44 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: NELSON111

Nothing in the scriptures tell us to form conventions or denominations, which lead to associating with those whose doctrines are false.


109 posted on 02/23/2012 6:16:42 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Burke)
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