Posted on 02/18/2012 7:49:10 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
I'm so grateful that I don't have to listen to this swill from the pulpit.
Your grasp of Hebrew and Greek is just... breathtaking....
It would be better to be accurate.
/johnny
You don’t sound sincere on the gratefulness part. Swill?
And yes, swill. Stuff that you might feed to a pig. But don't expect it to do the pig any good.
Self important preachers with minimal language skills maybe should focus on the gospel of redemption.
I'm directed to discern. That's what I perceive.
/johnny
An old preacher once said” if you throw a shoe into a pack of dogs, the one that yelps is the one that got hit!” God bless you J random
And you didn't throw a shoe, you threw a shoecabinet, in polyglot.
And conflated stuff so bad it can't be sorted to be critiqued.
What does any of that have to do with Salvation by redemption? Where is THAT message?
I'll pray for you, too. As I pray for many here on FR.
Funny, I don't see you on those threads. Just your self-serving threads.
/johnny
What is your offense? Why so insulting? btw thanks for the prayers
Parking in a no-parking zone, bootlegging a live pig in a no-pig zone (great BBQ), speaking my mind.
Those are but a few of my offenses.
Am I supposed to cross myself and say "forgive me father, for I have sinned" now?
You can't even get it right in english. Verbs and nouns.
Tricky things.
If a man sets himself up above others and puts on haughty aires, he should expect the occasional tomato.
/johnny
Not sure what your problem is. Pastor R is just discussing the idea that our modern view of Pharisees is different than the actual historical view; from what I've researched, the Pharisees were “of the people’ while the Sanhedrin (sp?) were the elites.
If you've got a particular problem with what Pastor R is saying, why don't you be specific rather than dissing him as if you know some deep revelation here that he is missing.
Nuts to that sort of superserious fake criticism. And of all people Pastor R has always in mind the eternal cost of true versus false preaching.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Dear JRandom:
Personal attacks on Pastor R? Unreal. You must be channelling Ayn Rand or some other such atheistic faux POV. Go Galt! Yeah!
pastorbillrandles wrote:
“The subject is the new birth.”
The subject is baptism, and why Nicodemus hadn’t listened to John or, more properly, God speaking through John. And therefore the subject is the importance of baptism, and why God commanded it.
I have no idea what unleashed the spirit of offense on this thread tonight; but I've never read such nitpicky nonsense on a FR thread such as this.
BTW, God never commanded baptism or the new birth, i.e. being born again in Christ that water baptism is a source and symbol of (while the baptism of the Holy Spirit is the vehicle by which we become born again) — God never commands that which is a free will choice.
Anyway, Lord bless Pastor R and all the nitpickers on this thread plus all the hardworking FR mods.
Well, Sontagged, I don’t know what to say. I don’t know what to say for the simple reason that I don’t understand what you just wrote. Read again what you wrote.
It is a run on sentence that adds up to nothing I suppose.
Overall just confused at why Pastor R is getting such flack for a pretty innocent posting.
As you probably know, Deuteronomy 12:32 warned the Israelites not to add anything to the Torah, but after returning from the Babylonian exile, that is exactly what they did...with good intentions, so that they would not repeat the sins that got them exiled in the first place.
Unfortunately, these extra-curricular laws they came up with took on a life of their own, to the point that people who sincerely sought after God had become oppressed by all this hair-splitting minutiae, promulgated and enforced by those who held themselves in authority. (Comparable to today's volumes of government regulations.)
This, I believe, was Yeshua's (Jesus') real beef with the Pharisees. Not their keeping of the Torah, which Yeshua himself kept perfectly, but rather all the extra man-made nonsensical traditions that did not come from the Torah at all. He was very "in their face" about those.
You are right, I agree with your take, it is Biblical. My only point was that the critique of Pharisaism by Jesus hits a lot closer to home than many realize. People “love to hate “ Pharisees, but miss the application. Pharisaism developed into the dead, tradition crusted, rabbinic commentary over scripture cult that Jesus denounced, but it originally was a conservative reaction against hellenism. At least with the Pharisees Jesus could appeal to the Word of God, to show them their error.
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