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To: allmendream; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; EternalVigilance; ...
Is “Darwinism” eugenics any different than “Lamarkianism” eugenics?

Yes, the Darwins were eugenicists, Lamarck wasn't.

Eugenics existed as a pattern of thought long before Darwin formulated his theory - many people assumed that humans could be selectively bred for desired traits and that undesirable traits should be eliminated.

Perhaps, but they didn't conspire to prevent the "undesirables" from reproducing.

Darwin's theory gave a veneer of scientific respectability to the field that was undeserved - but they glommed onto anyone with the NAME of Darwin to try to prop up this association.

The Eugenics Society was FOUNDED by a Darwin.

So still no evidence that Stalin ever recommended someone read Darwin. Yet you base SO MUCH of your argument on that little bit of fluff.

The basis of everything I've written on this thread is Darwinian eugenics, NOT evolution.

But, go ahead and look here:

Darwin-Stalin Connection

The FACTS are that Hitler was a Creationist who believed in fixed kinds and that his race was in the image of God - and that the Soviet Communists rejected Darwin's theory in favor of a Lamarkian mechanism.

Yet Hitler's evil legacy is pure eugenics, unless of course you can find where Lamarck suggested killing and sterilizing the disabled and exterminating entire races.

Lies about historic facts do not advance the Creationist argument.

Go back and read through the thread, my ONLY comments about Creationism is to state that there is more to Darwinism than evolutionary theory.

When Creationists make these arguments it shows just how desperate they are that they have to make up lies just to make an illogical argument of guilt by association and an appeal to consequences.

You have yet to establish that ANYONE on here lied.

102 posted on 02/20/2012 3:51:38 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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The “Darwins”? So Darwin has to answer for all the acts of his descendants who carried his name?

Ever hear of the Spartans? They certainly conspired to prevent undesirables from reproducing.

Wow, once suspect source citing World Nutt Daily! Consider me entirely unconvinced by this one anecdotal account in the face of a Soviet POLICY of imprisoning those who taught Darwin's theory.

Eugenics is not Darwin's theory. Belief in eugenics predates Darwin. Most who accept Darwin's theory correctly reject eugenics because it is idiotic. Acceptance of Darwin's theory is not a necessity for advocating eugenics.

Moreover, even if this article didn't have to LIE to attempt to make its point - its “point” boils down to an illogical guilt by association and an appeal to consequences.

103 posted on 02/20/2012 3:58:22 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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