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To: johngrace
Sorry SM that is seems so convoluted. We still have to confess our sins as put by John the apostle.

Odd coming from a Catholic when the requirement for confession is only once per year, isn't it???

Are you declaring you do not ask for forgiveness in certain sins. Or they are already forgiven?

Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

And yes, we do ask for forgiveness for our sins...On a daily basis...And sometimes by the minute... Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Rom 4:7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Rom 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Which does not make sense when we are told by John to confess our sins. Which is directed to Christians as to live by here on earth.

Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

You guys can't seem to separate your spirit from your flesh...It is not our flesh that is saved...Our corrupt flesh will be redeemed at the Resurrection...

When we sin, we sin in the flesh...There is no sin imputed to our spirit/soul...

1Jn 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 1Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

I assume that these verses and many, many like them are never spoken of in any of your homilies...

That's why we know we have a place in heaven...Jesus paid for our sin...Past, present and future...

So can I beat up some old lady, steal her purse and still go to heaven??? Absolutely...But am I going to do that??? It's not in my immediate plans...God has put it into my heart to please Him...And that would not please Him so much...

We have liberty...We are free...All things are lawful...Just as Paul says...

1Co 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

1Co 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

So what happens when I abuse this freedom??? Here's one fella that abused this freedom...

1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Did the guy go to hell??? Nope...But he probably didn't live long...

And incidentally, this fits as another application to that verse, Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling...

Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

If you are a child of God, you'd better work out your own salvation because God knows how to wield that willow switch far more effectively than anything you can remember from your childhood...Believe me, I know...

There is so much truth in the scriptures...There are so many answers in the scriptures...

Jesus is the Word of God...Jesus is God speaking...The Word of God gave us, in writing, the words of God...

Why anyone would put the traditions of their religion about the words of God is a mystery I'll never understand...

120 posted on 02/19/2012 8:11:46 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Iscool

>>You guys can’t seem to separate your spirit from your flesh...It is not our flesh that is saved...Our corrupt flesh will be redeemed at the Resurrection...

When we sin, we sin in the flesh...There is no sin imputed to our spirit/soul...

Do you also seperate Christ’s flesh from His Spirit?


128 posted on 02/20/2012 3:33:36 PM PST by bvmtotustuus (totus tuus Blessed Virgin Mary)
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To: Iscool
So can I beat up some old lady, steal her purse and still go to heaven??? Absolutely..

Any sin? Unrepented murder? Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? Any and all sins in the future?

But am I going to do that??? It's not in my immediate plans...

As long as it's not in your immediate plans I guess. :)

But unless you are omniscient, you, and I, do not know what the future brings, what trials we may face and whether we will endure to the end.

Taking credit for enduring is not the same as enduring, presuming forgiveness for the future, not knowing the sin or repentance is not the teaching of Christ or His apostles.

129 posted on 02/21/2012 1:42:31 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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