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To: Zionist Conspirator; All
I notice you -- & most of the others indirectly siding with the Mormons -- failed to address one key component of this discussion:

The Mormon leadership has promised now for 16 years to stop doing this.

I posted another thread yesterday...see Mormons apologize for posthumous baptism of parents of Jewish rights advocate Wiesenthal

Very early in that thread I said the following: Well, this all gives lie to this Mormon belief. If the Mormons truly thought that baptizing Jews by proxy was the ONLY way to "save" them, then they'd continue to do it hell or high water. Yet they cave on doing "the work of the Mormon lord." Why? Because it's "controversial" and "offensive." Wow! If that was the watershed criteria for whether to continue something, where would Christianity be? No, this shows Mormonism to be the wishy-washy cult it's always been!

IOW, I was actually encouraging the Mormon church – if it had the actual absolute gumption to keep claiming that it was of the “Mormon lord” … to stick to its convictions and tell multi-culturalism where it could go. But alas, the Mormon church has shown even they don't believe that baptizing the dead is a salvific absolute! They backed down 16 years ago...and once they made this vow to honor multi-culturalism, it cannot go back.

So now it's a matter about a promise made...and honoring that promise...which Mormons aren't doing, either!

So, first they cave on their doctrine & convictions...showing the lie of their faith...and then they cave on their promise, showing the lie of their integrity!

47 posted on 02/16/2012 12:46:13 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian; wideawake
I notice you -- & most of the others indirectly siding with the Mormons -- failed to address one key component of this discussion:

Believe it or not, it was not my intention to "side indirectly with the mormons." It was my intention to stand up for people doing something they honestly (however mistakenly) believe G-d wants them to do when faced with political intimidation. How do you like it when secular Jewish leaders, whose Jewishness is based on nothing but Adolf Hitler (yimach shemo vezikhro!) demand people like you to stop "witnessing" to Jews or they'll call you a Nazi? Do you enjoy that?

Now it just so happens that I am against Jews converting to chrstianity in any form (including mormonims) and to any other religion other than authentic Judaism. If a great Sage wants to address the world and demand, in the name of HaShem and the Holy Torah, that chrstians cease all their efforts, well and good. But that isn't what happens. A bunch of nihilists, whose belief in anything has been permanently destroyed by Churban 'Europa', demand that the entire world join them in meditating on the meaninglessness of everything as they stare into the abyss of Auschwitz. This is what the meaning of Jewish existence has been twisted into: the utter meaninglessness of everything. From being the people whose existence testified of G-d they've been reinterpreted as the people whose existence testifies against Him!

That's what this is about. You and I are both grinding very different axes here. Personally, I think anyone who seriously thinks the United States is in any danger of becoming a mormon "theocracy" is nuts (just as I think the Seventh Day Adventists are nuts to worry about their "national sunday law"), but if that floats your boat, go ahead.

The Mormon leadership has promised now for 16 years to stop doing this.

No, I hadn't heard this, and it's a completely separate issue anyway. When Southern Baptists promise to stop witnessing to Jews, do you think that's a good thing?

I don't believe in abstract religious freedom at all. The only religious freedom is the freedom to do what G-d wants. But I realize that until the True Religion triumphs in history there will always be false religions whose followers feel compelled to follow the tenets of those religions. I don't agree with their false religions but I sympathize with anyone being bullied to give up their religious beliefs/practices because of political correctness.

Do you really believe a mormon proxy baptism does anything? Maybe as an ex-mormon you do. But I do not.

49 posted on 02/16/2012 7:44:50 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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