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To: sten

“all belief systems are based on ‘faith’ ... which means, no proof”

That’s not the whole story.

Here are at least some historical, reality based items that validate Judaism/Christianity:

(1) the existence of archeological Israel (i.e. ruins, pottery, etc)
(2) thousands of historical manuscripts verify the authenticity of the items mentioned in #1 (for example, do you “believe” in Julius Caesar, in the sense that he was a real person, etc etc? the same manuscript “proof” for Caesar is multiplied by about 100-fold for the life of Christ
(3) numerous DNA based and linguistic studies coincide with scriptural accounts
(4) Once the veracity of the NT is established, then there are numerous eyewitnesses to Jesus’ resurrection were documented in the four gospels.
(5) Coming to the modern day, real people believing and trusting in the real Christ - have been saved from lives of ruin and disaster.

On to your last point, about your statement:

“you’re just a bigot and your type doesn’t belong on FR or in America. the founders would have found your ilk as repulsive as those they left in europe...”

The lds-org and the muslims precisely do NOT want religious freedom.

If the lds gets an upper hand, I think they will take advantage of their strategic opportunity.

Refer to my tagline. Do you understand it? The lds worldview is incapable of understanding the concept of checks and balances, limited government and separation of powers.

“The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.”

I designed that tagline a while ago, and it applies to the ideologies of:

(A) the lds-org,
(B) islam, and
(C) communism.

At their root, these ALL deny that humans are fallen, sinful creatures.

Enough for now.


27 posted on 02/10/2012 10:49:05 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank
the same manuscript “proof” for Caesar is multiplied by about 100-fold for the life of Christ

I doubt that.

How many coins bearing Jesus' likeness were struck during his lifetime?

How many buildings, statues, etc. bearing inscriptions of his name were erected during his lifetime?

Almost no contemporary documentary evidence of the existence of Jesus Christ exists. Rather, most documents post-date his death, when the "legends" began being concocted.

Regards,

35 posted on 02/10/2012 11:15:34 AM PST by alexander_busek
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