One lonnng dodge again.You still can’t do it. It’s a rare sect that can’t name one person, other than themself.
And now you try to escape to the visible church is ‘carnal’; as if the NT Church was ‘carnal.’
There’s no “we” in your church, no real people with a real history - there’s just you.
I name thee Number of the Beast!
Well, I’ll ask you one question. Does God save individuals or groups?