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To: boatbums

I would love to see you show proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Scripture is 100 percent authentic.Every version has authenticity issues,including the Catholic ones.

None of this bothers me at all because I can see a flow of great unity for 2000 years of Catholicism and Church councils I believe are guided by the Holy Spirit to have dogmatic teachings that can never change regardless of even cafeteria Catholics who try and rail against this.

I’m fairly sure someone like you must be applauding the Catholic Church stand against Obamacare against abortion and contraceptives . These Catholic teachings are fixed teachings on morals that don’t exist within protestantism that can be changed within even mainstream protestantism.


330 posted on 02/08/2012 4:29:53 PM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi; boatbums
"None of this bothers me at all because I can see a flow of great unity for 2000 years of Catholicism and Church councils I believe are guided by the Holy Spirit to have dogmatic teachings that can never change regardless of even cafeteria Catholics who try and rail against this."

"From the fifth century onward, Aristotle's view that the embryo goes through stages from vegetable to animal to spiritual was accepted. Only in the final stage was it human. Thus Gregory VI (1045-6) said, "He is not a murderer who brings about abortion before the soul is in the body." Gregory XIII (1572-85) said it was not homicide to kill an embryo of less than 40 days since it wasn't yet human. His successor, Sixtus V, who rewrote the Bible, disagreed. His Bull of 1588 made all abortions for any reason homicide and cause for excommunication. His successor, Gregory XIV, reversed that decree. In 1621 the Vatican issued another pastoral directive permitting abortion up to 40 days. As late as the eighteenth century the Church's greatest moral theologian, St. Alphonsus de Liguori, still denied that the soul was infused at conception and allowed for flexibility, especially when the mother's life was in danger. Finally, in 1869, Pius IX declared that any destruction of any embryo was an abortion and merited excommunication- a view that remains to this day." Appendix F, pp. 519-520. "What About Tradition?". Dave Hunt. A Woman Rides the Beast.

You were saying?...

336 posted on 02/08/2012 4:51:31 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: stfassisi; boatbums

I can’t see anyone credibly doubting that the Church preserved Holy Scripture at the least.

And, I believe, BB’s position is that doctrine of sola scriptura is implicit in scripture, as opposed to explicit - not specifically stated.

That still leaves, IMHO, the problem of interpretation. In practice one cannot have scripture determine which of two interpretations are correct. I think this obvious in the fact that different interpretations and doctrines are justified by sola scriptura proponents.

I really haven’t seen a good argument against the scriptural and practical problems of sola scriptura.

BB, we disagree on the significance of disagreement between sola scriptura proponents. I would offer the non-Trinitarian brands as more than different enough. :)


337 posted on 02/08/2012 4:56:20 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: stfassisi
>>Holy Spirit to have dogmatic teachings that can never change regardless of even cafeteria Catholics who try and rail against this.<<

So the apostles taught the bodily ascension of Mary?

340 posted on 02/08/2012 5:08:04 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: stfassisi
I would love to see you show proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Scripture is 100 percent authentic.Every version has authenticity issues,including the Catholic ones. None of this bothers me at all because I can see a flow of great unity for 2000 years of Catholicism and Church councils I believe are guided by the Holy Spirit to have dogmatic teachings that can never change regardless of even cafeteria Catholics who try and rail against this.

I would really like to know your standards for deciding anything is 100%. As far as "beyond a reasonable doubt" and "authentic", there is solid, beyond a reasonable doubt, proof that the Holy Scriptures we have are authentic, they are nothing short of miraculous. From the site http://www.bible-researcher.com/chicago1.html, The Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy, we can know without doubt:

    1. God, who is Himself Truth and speaks truth only, has inspired Holy Scripture in order thereby to reveal Himself to lost mankind through Jesus Christ as Creator and Lord, Redeemer and Judge. Holy Scripture is God's witness to Himself.

    2. Holy Scripture, being God's own Word, written by men prepared and superintended by His Spirit, is of infallible divine authority in all matters upon which it touches: it is to be believed, as God's instruction, in all that it affirms: obeyed, as God's command, in all that it requires; embraced, as God's pledge, in all that it promises.

    3. The Holy Spirit, Scripture's divine Author, both authenticates it to us by His inward witness and opens our minds to understand its meaning.

    4. Being wholly and verbally God-given, Scripture is without error or fault in all its teaching, no less in what it states about God's acts in creation, about the events of world history, and about its own literary origins under God, than in its witness to God's saving grace in individual lives.

    5. The authority of Scripture is inescapably impaired if this total divine inerrancy is in any way limited or disregarded, or made relative to a view of truth contrary to the Bible's own; and such lapses bring serious loss to both the individual and the Church.

In Article XIII of this statement, it says:

WE AFFIRM the propriety of using inerrancy as a theological term with reference to the complete truthfulness of Scripture.

WE DENY that it is proper to evaluate Scripture according to standards of truth and error that are alien to its usage or purpose. We further deny that inerrancy is negated by Biblical phenomena such as a lack of modern technical precision, irregularities of grammar or spelling, observational descriptions of nature, the reporting of falsehoods, the use of hyperbole and round numbers, the topical arrangement of material, variant selections of material in parallel accounts, or the use of free citations.

There are additional articles that further explain the entire concept of Biblical Inerrancy, so I hope you will read further. We have every reason to rely on and trust the Holy Scriptures as the sure source of truth for our faith and it is because it is from God, himself.

I’m fairly sure someone like you must be applauding the Catholic Church stand against Obamacare against abortion and contraceptives . These Catholic teachings are fixed teachings on morals that don’t exist within protestantism that can be changed within even mainstream protestantism.

As a matter of fact, I am, and I join with all those who value the God-given right to life. However, you can not say that these teachings do not exist outside of the Catholic Church. Evangelicalism has always held to pro-life positions and, even more important, the vast majority of its members (more than even Catholics) vote for pro-life people and causes. It's more important that people actually follow their beliefs than just hide behind a label. Don't you agree?

366 posted on 02/08/2012 6:38:34 PM PST by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: stfassisi; boatbums
I would love to see you show proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Scripture is 100 percent authentic.Every version has authenticity issues,including the Catholic ones.

I would love to see you show proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the Catholic church is 100 percent authentic church.

None of this bothers me at all because I can see a flow of great unity for 2000 years of Catholicism and Church councils I believe are guided by the Holy Spirit to have dogmatic teachings that can never change regardless of even cafeteria Catholics who try and rail against this.

That's simply a matter of opinion.

If even Scripture isn't guaranteed to to be 100% anything, then neither is any church. ANY church.

These Catholic teachings are fixed teachings on morals that don’t exist within protestantism that can be changed within even mainstream protestantism.

Wow, from the church that allows child molesting, homosexual priests to continue in office, because once a priest, always a priest.

Who are you kidding?

What morals that don't exist within Protestantism and can be changed by them?

Morals are absolutes established by God. No man establishes them. They stand outside the whims of any church. A church may choose to align itself with those absolutes established by God or not, but they do not establish them themselves.

392 posted on 02/08/2012 8:06:34 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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