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To: D-fendr

Those are mighty big words coming from someone whose claim to fame is defending the indefensible. But pawns get satisfaction so easily. Even the “infinitesimally small fry” wafer and wine demi-devotees. With glazed eyes and palpitating hearts they open their mouths to receive their “god”. And shake with anticipation of doing it all over again, tomorrow.


152 posted on 02/06/2012 7:44:14 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: smvoice
ROTFLMAO!


161 posted on 02/06/2012 8:14:43 PM PST by narses
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To: smvoice

Ah, you’re channeling the Roman pagans against the early Christian martyrs now.

They died for the faith you attack. So, no, I’m not impressed with you, it’s hard enough to believe you take yourself seriously.

The Christians I’m familiar with still have Christ’s Ministry in their beliefs. Perhaps, someday, you too will.

It really is quite ludicrous to follow teachers who claim Christianity’s core truths were lost and then “rediscovered” in the 20th Century.

But enjoy yourself, preach on, please ping me when you have your own YouTube channel.


162 posted on 02/06/2012 8:17:46 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: smvoice; D-fendr
Those are mighty big words coming from someone whose claim to fame is defending the indefensible. But pawns get satisfaction so easily. Even the “infinitesimally small fry” wafer and wine demi-devotees. With glazed eyes and palpitating hearts they open their mouths to receive their “god”. And shake with anticipation of doing it all over again, tomorrow.

The Bulgarian Heresy:

In the 10th century, there arose in Bulgaria a gnostic heresy credited to a priest by the name of Bogomil. The beliefs of the Bogomils, as they were called, were adoptionist, meaning that they considered Jesus to have been "adopted" by God at the time of his baptism, but did not consider him to be a part of a trinity. Neither did they consider Mary in any way the mother of God.

Simplicity and strict adherence characterized their practices, with priests elected from their own groups and congregations meeting at homes rather than churches. Infant baptism was not practiced, marriage was not considered a sacrament, and saints were considered false idols.

The heresy had a strong Manichean flavor to it. They believed that God had two sons, Michael and Satan. Satan created the material world and attempted to create Adam, but was unable to create a soul. God added the soul to Adam, but mankind was bound in service to Satan. Michael came to earth in the form of the holy spirit, which entered into Jesus. As Christ, he broke the original agreement which bound mankind to Satan. But it was Satan who orchestrated the crucifixion, and he is still working to recapture mankind by means of the mainstream churches.

The basic ideas of this Bulgarian heresy spread rapidly west, through northern Italy to Southern France. There, the believers called themselves Cathars, from the Greek word meaning pure. Others called them Albigensians, after the town of Albi, or Bougres, for Bulgarians. This last name is the source of the word bugger, due to accusations of sodomy.

Even stricter than the Bogomils, the Cathars attempted to live simple, exemplary lives, with the most serious believers refraining from sex and other physical pleasures. Many adopted strict veganism. They had only one sacrament, the consolamentum, which was something of a last rites in which sin was removed.

The Cathars believed that the God of the old testament was actually Satan, and that he was responsible for the creation of the material world. Jesus was therefore purely spirit (Docetism), since he would have been tainted if he had had a real body. By purity of living, anyone could cast off the physical body and awaken in heaven. The impure were doomed to rebirth into this physical world. One interesting side effect of this belief was that women were treated as equal to men, since we have all been men or women at some time in our past lives.

The Bogomils and the Cathars were harshly persecuted by the Orthodox church in the east and the Catholic church in the west. By the 14th century, the Bulgarians were absorbed by the Islamic Ottoman Empire, and the Cathars were virtually eliminated by Crusades and the Inquisition. They had laid the foundations, however, for the Reformation.

from http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/heresies.html

You guys think that you invented your particular departures from Christianity? These guys did it a long time ago and didn't commercialize it a la Osteen or Hinn.

223 posted on 02/07/2012 5:08:37 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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