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Last Temptation of Castro: Get Religion [To be Received Back into Church During Papal Visit]
Cranmer ^ | 2/4/12

Posted on 02/05/2012 2:58:27 PM PST by marshmallow

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To: Bellflower
It isn't "love" to lie and distort someone else's beliefs, as the haters do quite regularly. Scripture says love rejoices with the truth (is that still in your Bible?), not in lies, falsehoods, and distortions.

As for your question, it's a "poisoning the well" false dichotomy. Christ saves through his Church. It's how he, not we, set things up. Why do you insist on dividing him from his work, as though were somehow at odds with one another?

61 posted on 02/06/2012 5:32:57 AM PST by Campion ("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
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To: Lauren BaRecall
>> Sounds like The Way International.<<

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Isn’t it interesting that He didn’t say the RCC was the way.

62 posted on 02/06/2012 5:48:01 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: bigoil

“The key point will be what sort of PENANCE Pope Benedict XVI assigns Castro for a Papal Absolution of all sins.

If the penitent fails to complete the penance assigned by the priest, then the absolution is of no merit and is null and void.”

Nope.


63 posted on 02/06/2012 6:07:18 AM PST by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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To: Bellflower

64 posted on 02/06/2012 6:23:02 AM PST by narses
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To: Bellflower; narses
To me and others it strongly appears that many of you are putting your faith into your Church rather than in Jesus Christ Himself.

APPEARS. To you and some others, many things appear to be the case. Things about which you know nothing.

I tell you this: if you really knew and understood, you'd hunger and thirst for the Blessed Sacrament to such an extent that you couldn't become a Catholic fast enough.

65 posted on 02/06/2012 7:17:59 AM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: CynicalBear; narses

The Way International that was founded by Victor Paul Wierwille, who “wrongly divided” the Word to such an extent that he taught Jesus is not God. THAT Way International.


66 posted on 02/06/2012 7:28:28 AM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

Some deny that Christ was indeed God and some elevate a woman to the extent they insist God is subjected to her. Both cults that need to be exposed as the apostates they are.


67 posted on 02/06/2012 7:41:40 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Bellflower; Lauren BaRecall; narses
Lauren, the Trust is in Christ. Christ has given His precepts, His teachings, His interpretation of scripture that is handed down from Him through the Apostles to us. We object to people inventing their new interpretations

Case in point,Let's repeat a basic Bible lesson:

  1. What does Jesus say saves us?
    • Matt. 24:13
      13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

    • Matt 25:31-46 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
      35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
      36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

    Jesus says that if you endure to the end you get salvation, that if you helped your fellow man you inherit the kingdom of God (you get salvation) --> note these are HIS own words

  2. 1 Pet. 3:20-21: " It (Baptism )saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ"

  3. Note -- also in Acts 16:31 we are told to believe and you will be saved -- so Faith is definitely one of the things needed, yet as you see above, it is not ONLY faith. Remember -- James says "even the demons believe - and shudder" -- it is not faith ALONE that saves


Salvation is by GRACE alone
68 posted on 02/06/2012 7:48:47 AM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: CynicalBear
...and some elevate a woman to the extent they insist God is subjected to her.

Don't know of any like that, at least in the way you mean it. ;-)

69 posted on 02/06/2012 8:36:31 AM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: Cronos; Bellflower

I’m guessing that even though my name is in the body of your post, your response is to Bellflower.

I’m a Catholic.

Jak sie masz? :-)


70 posted on 02/06/2012 8:58:01 AM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: Lauren BaRecall
Nie żle! ale nie jestem polakiem :)
71 posted on 02/06/2012 9:06:23 AM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: Cronos

I know you aren’t Polish - I peeked at your home page!


72 posted on 02/06/2012 9:11:49 AM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: Lauren BaRecall
>> Don't know of any like that, at least in the way you mean it.<<

When therefore we read in the writings of Saint Bernard, Saint Bernardine, Saint Bonaventure, and others that all in heaven and on earth, even God himself, is subject to the Blessed Virgin, they mean that the authority which God was pleased to give her is so great that she seems to have the same power as God. Her prayers and requests are so powerful with him that he accepts them as commands in the sense that he never resists his dear mother’s prayer because it is always humble and conformed to his will.... St. Louis de Montfort, in Treatise on True Devotion to the Blessed Virgin, #27, 246.

73 posted on 02/06/2012 10:22:13 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear; Lauren BaRecall; metmom
The official *crickets* quote is posted.

And the wailing and gnashing suddenly stop, to be replaced with a stunned group "uhhhhhhh..."

:)

74 posted on 02/06/2012 10:38:52 AM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: smvoice
>>And the wailing and gnashing suddenly stop, to be replaced with a stunned group "uhhhhhhh..."<<

I was expected the long explanation of how they didn’t mean what they said and we don’t understand what the RCC teaches because the hidden inflection and nuances made it mean something different. Oy!

75 posted on 02/06/2012 10:53:51 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: smvoice

I’m Faaaaaaaaaaaaaar from being stunned, sweetie! Just got back.... :-)


76 posted on 02/06/2012 12:44:18 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: CynicalBear

With your tendency to see polytheism everywhere, I’d recommend you stay away from de Montfort and stay close to the Nicene Creed, but it’s likely the Church of Holy CB doesn’t believe the creed of orthodox Christianity.

Believing oneself is the Church makes any interpretation of Mariology pale in comparison. Perhaps you can sell your neighbors on your holiness, but not here.


77 posted on 02/06/2012 12:50:15 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

I suppose we should have some sympathy. If they couldn’t attack the Church, they’d have no religion at all.


78 posted on 02/06/2012 12:57:26 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: CynicalBear; smvoice
Her prayers and requests are so powerful with him that he accepts them as commands in the sense that he never resists his dear mother’s prayer because it is always humble and conformed to his will.... St. Louis de Montfort, in Treatise on True Devotion to the Blessed Virgin, #27, 246.

St. Louis meant exactly what he said, and that's how the Catholic Church sees it, because that's the way it actually is. She is our sweet, powerful, and unfailing intercessor.

And if you're a brother of Christ, she's your Mother, too. You have no idea how seriously God sees relationships. "Child of God" really means child of God, and "brother/sister of Christ" really means what it says. We have the same Heavenly Father, and the same Blessed Mother.

God is so much bigger than you Protestants portray Him. In fact, it stuns me as to how small you've made Him.

79 posted on 02/06/2012 1:11:53 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: D-fendr
>>stay close to the Nicene Creed<<

Even Satan knows the Nicene Creed is true. Not once does it mention that it’s a personal acceptance of Jesus as our only propitiation for sins and total trust in Him alone is what saves.

BTW Maybe you could answer this.

The Nicene Creed includes this. “We confess (I confess) one baptism for the remission of sins.” Does that mean that baptism actually remits our sins or does that mean that baptism is because of the remission of sins through Christ’s blood has already happened?

80 posted on 02/06/2012 1:26:15 PM PST by CynicalBear
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