Still trying to force the Vatican Ashteroth-Mary-Goddess cult's rules & sensibilities on everyone else! LOL
However, I have saved your preposterous claim to a Word file for future laughs.
Posted on 02/03/2012 6:31:03 AM PST by NYer
I am married to a Korean national. I mention this not just because it is cool (and it is cool) but I’ve learned quite a few things about my Faith from being close to someone of a very different culture.
Because of my wife’s nationality I know quite a few Koreans by association. They come from education backgrounds that make your humble scribe feel quite inferior, or at least I’d feel that way if they weren’t so humble about it. And one of the core components of this education is learning the English language.
To me they do indeed speak English well. Some can even speak without the hint of a Korean accent. I know firsthand how difficult this is given my own extremely difficult time learning Korean.
(What does this have to do with the Magisterium? Please bear with me).
However despite their best efforts I have come to notice that no matter how fluent they were certain ways they would speak seemed…well..awkward. For example, almost to a man, when one of my wife’s friends say something like they were sick yesterday they would say “My condition was not good.” This was true regardless of how well any of them spoke English. I pointed it out to my wife and she noted that it was more or less a direct translation of the Korean expression for having been sick in the past. Despite the quality of their English, they were still speaking Korean using English words.
Another time my wife was telling me about her college days and describing a particular student and his relationship to the students in her freshman group. There literally is no English word for the particular position that this person held. It is something of a cross between a mentor, a Resident Assistant, and a full blown teacher. The attempt of my wife to explain this concept actually took a bit of time, and my above description is my best attempt to explain this position.
What I’m trying to say is that one’s culture has a powerful effect on one’s exposure to concepts as well as how one is going to express themselves. The ability to communicate with one another is heavily dependent on the concepts being discussed and the modes of expression that the communicants share. The greater the disparity in either, the more communication it takes to attempt to bridge the gap.
At one point this started me thinking about the Bible. The books are written a long time ago by a culture with wildly different concepts and modes of expression than we have in modern English. And the New Testament was a translation of one culture into another, from the Jewish culture and language (Aramaic) to the Common Greek. Not only are these cultures different from ours (the Jewish and the Greek) but both cultures have grown and developed over time.
Just to give one example is the notion of “brother” in Jewish culture. The original Aramaic that Jesus and His followers spoke had no concept of “cousin.” To describe the relationship of one cousin to another they would say something like, “He is the son of my father’s brother.” Given how wordy this is they would simplify it to “he is my brother.”
Now someone might object to this by pointing out that the Common Greek had a word for cousin and if the authors wanted to say “cousin” they would have. But to me this doesn’t fly for two reasons. First, that knowledge of a language does not bestow the modes of expression the language uses. As in my first example, the Korean expressing that they were sick still use the Korean wording of the concept rendered into English. Second, given that Jesus and his people used Aramaic to communicate, it is actually more accurate to have a word for word translation, complete with ambiguity, rather than to impose a meaning on the words by trying to translate the wording into something more friendly to the new language.
These things led me to realize that if the Body of Christ has to go at Faith with a Bible Alone approach we are doomed. The time, culture and language separations are a huge obstacle to getting at the actual meaning of the texts, with all the nuance and subtlety that comes with theological understanding and the development of those concepts. This is readily apparent with our Protestant brethren, who continue to split into numerous sects and sects within sects.
The Bible is a product of the times and cultures that produced it. Despite the fact that it is the inerrant Word of God it still uses human culture and language to communicate to us. And because of the limits of both human language and cultural concepts, the existence of the Magisterium and Sacred Tradition simply make sense.
Our Lord provided us with an authoritative body that can express the Truths of Revelation over time and cultures without error. A body that has the authority to interpret the Sacred Texts and present them to all cultures and times. A body that lives and breathes with the cultures in time but stands above them. That such a body, the Magisterim, exists is not only to my mind beneficial, but necessary for preserving the Word of God and revealing the Word to us using the concepts and modes of communication we use.
My exposure to a foreign culture as different as the Korean one only illustrates the need for the Sacred Tradition, and the need for the authority of the Magisterium to guarantee the transmission of that Tradition. There is more to the Truth of the Word than our cultures and languages can transmit. The Magisterium exists to teach us in the ways we communicate today, and will exist to teach the cultures of the future. Through the Magisterium we overcome the Tower of Babel now and in the future.
It’s saddening to watch so many deny they worship Mary while it’s obvious they do. A statement like “even God himself, is subject to the Blessed Virgin” should send anyone with any sense whatsoever fleeing from that cult.
Should. But doesn't.
The only reaction it provokes is defense of the whole mess.
Dear God, what a Satanic quote. Do RCs really believe this?
Read your Bibles. The truth is there.
At least the guy who wrote it, and then apparently those who published it with their approval. I’d guess some more, based on the reactions of defense to this sort of thing I see from Catholics on this board.
By the Holy Spirit, I presume you mean the wise counselor whom Jesus promised would guide His Church in all truth. If so, then He is either a fool and a liar, or He does not exist, because in matters as profound as baptism and as trivial as Harry Potter, He has guided thousands of different sects to hold, and to dispute quite uncharitably, many differing opinions.
The third possibility, that you are wrong and the Church is right about what the Holy Spirit teaches, is most probably the correct one.
Defending the indefensible in black and white. And they believe they are the Church established by Christ to bring in His Kingdom..
You have got to be kidding. Jesus is the enmity? You post a diatribe that starts with that nonsense and you expect anyone to read the rest? What absolute and utter nonsense.
That was the most ridiculous attempt at reading something into scripture I believe I have ever seen.
If it's not painfully obvious that is EXACTLY what Jesus was getting at.....
But you see this is the evil heart of the Protestant heresy: to bring accusation against the gentle and mild by turning the Scripture into a book of law....giving their inferences from the text the same weight as "thus sayeth the Lord" without any Scriptural licence to do so, and thus taking the name in vain.
Nooooooooo.
That's the problem of presuming to speak for God by leaning to your own understanding with regard to the right role and usage of Scripture in the life of the Christian.
Because "Robert Tilton" text face is so clever?
Yes, I know. Though it has been thouroughly explained to you many times in the past, it would appear you simply can not seriously entertain the idea your fundamental approach to heurmanutics is in error, and so will not retain the particulars that prove it.
Simply stated, unless you can show a specific prophesy of the Old Testament addressed to Simeon, informing him that he would not see death until his eyes beheld the Messiah, then your entire formula for making our modern Bible synonymous with the "word of God" spoken of in the Scriptures, and all the doctrines of man that spring from it, is proven to be a lie.
Really?
Where does the Scripture explain that to us
I never cease to be amazed by the rank hypocrisy of "Proddies" who give their "nuanced" understanding of "what the Scripture is saying" the same authority as a direct quotation of Christ....
Still trying to force the Vatican Ashteroth-Mary-Goddess cult's rules & sensibilities on everyone else! LOL
However, I have saved your preposterous claim to a Word file for future laughs.
Able leap over Greek experts From the Greek Orthodox Church with a Greek Dictionary!! LOL!
CB ="You have got to be kidding. Jesus is the enmity?"
The Enmity to the Devil? YES! Hello!
en·mi·ty/ˈenmitē/
The state or feeling of being actively opposed or hostile to someone or something.
Synonyms:
hostility - animosity - antagonism
No offense. But reread about the enmity.
Gen. 3:15
And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring[a] and hers; he will crush[b] your head,
and you will strike his heel.”
- we see from the very beginning that God gives Mary a unique role in salvation history. God says "I will put enmity between you and the woman, between your seed and her seed." This refers to Jesus's seed (the "emnity") and Mary (the "woman"). The phrase "her seed" (spermatos) is not seen elsewhere in Scripture.
This is addressed to the serpent/devil. The seed is Jesus in his role as the messiah of the future. Also showing regain of paradise lost in the future.
That makes absolutely no sense. Jesus is not the enmity. Jesus is not “hostility - animosity – antagonism”. The hostility, animosity and antagonism come from Satan. Jesus is the seed that crushes Satan’s head.
I'm sure it will go well with all those scriptural examples of "spreading the Gospel" though the "alternative aggression" tactics of little girls, who fearing retaliation for physically assaulting their victims, attempt to emotionally injure them through malignant communication strategies. (Of course, that weapon only works against OTHER little girls.....)
What sweetness.
No doubt from the lap of the Ashteroth-goddess figure?
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