To: Peter ODonnell

I hope I don’t end up on Johnny Miller’s planet.

What, you don't like golf???

21 posted on 01/27/2012 8:37:58 PM PST by cloudmountain

Come on, black folks can still be janitors & shoe shine boys in Mormon heaven, whaddaya want?

I shined shoes for years at a shoe shop and it's not that bad once people stop with the smartazz remarks about a white kid doing "nig*** work". One thing though, Mormons are lousy tippers, to a man. I don't know about Mormon women, they didn't climb up on the shine stand for a shoe shine except for on very non-Mormon woman who . . . Never mind, but black folks do have a place in Mormon heaven now, so what's the deal?

22 posted on 01/28/2012 12:16:48 AM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)

To: cloudmountain

I hope I don’t end up on Johnny Miller’s planet.

"What, you don't like golf??? "

Well there you go, caddies and chauffeurs, all kinds of jobs for black folks in heaven when you think about it.

And the Mormons like American Indians so much they dressed up like them from time to time. So, again, what's the problem?

Redcaps at the airport
Cabbies
Lawn care engineers
Sanitation specialists
Sinigers
Dancers

Were the 1920s that bad? Yeah, there's lots of room for black folks in the Mormon view.

23 posted on 01/28/2012 12:24:07 AM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)

...Romney dodges the question when asked if the LDS church had it wrong before 1978.

"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.

Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'

August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."
"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."
"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)

1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."

We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.

Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.
The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."
(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).

When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."

When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."
(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)

Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.

“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.

One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)

24 posted on 01/28/2012 4:58:11 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

Short, sweet and funny.

Two outta three ain't bad...

1 Timothy 4:1-2
1. The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
2. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.

1 Timothy 1:3-4
3. As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
4. nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.

1 Timothy 6:3-5
3. If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
4. he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions
5. and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

Temple Recommend Questions

1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

25 posted on 01/28/2012 5:00:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

How long will it take before someone asks Romney, “do you believe you will become a god?”

Or to POST the 'scripture' behind the question???

The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

16Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in ^amarriage; but are appointed angels in ^bheaven, which angels are ministering ^cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are ^aangels of God forever and ever.

18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that ^acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.

19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man ^amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and ^beverlasting covenant, and it is ^csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of ^dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ^ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit ^fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s ^gBook of Life, that he shall commit no ^hmurder whereby to shed innocent ⁱblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their ^jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the ^kseeds forever and ever.

20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from ^aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be ^bgods, because they have ^call power, and the angels are subject unto them.

21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my ^alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.

22For ^astrait is the gate, and narrow the ^bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the ^clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.

23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that ^awhere I am ye shall be also.

24This is ^aeternal lives—to ^bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath ^csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.

25^aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the ^bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they ^creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.

26 posted on 01/28/2012 5:02:38 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

Now a bunch of you are sitting at your terminal, reading this thread and asking yourself,

"What is THAT stuff ELSIE just posted??

It's not like any scripture I've read in the BoM those nice young men asked me to read and pray about!"

(You would be really hard pressed to find the FULLNESS that SLC claims.)

You see folks, the VAST majority of MORMON doctrine is NOT found in the Book of MORMON,

but in OTHER 'revelations' that were spoken into the LDS' Living Prophet's ear.

Have you ever wondered why you are not prompted to read and pray about THOSE?

27 posted on 01/28/2012 5:10:10 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

Gee whiz... go take a digital photo of the LDS temple... What are they honoring ....the grain offering what did God want ??? the blood sacrifice.... what/what is out of gear?

Fantasy Land indeed!


*Orlando*	*San Deigo*

28 posted on 01/28/2012 5:11:17 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

WHITE Horse Prophecy

WHITE Salamander

29 posted on 01/28/2012 5:12:44 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

(For those who don't know "Jeopardy," the answer comes first)

HMMMmmm...

Just HOW was this trivia tidbit REVEALED to you?

30 posted on 01/28/2012 5:17:15 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)

Well there you go, caddies and chauffeurs, all kinds of jobs for black folks in heaven when you think about it. And the Mormons like American Indians so much they dressed up like them from time to time. So, again, what's the problem? Redcaps at the airport Cabbies Lawn care engineers Sanitation specialists Sinigers Dancers Were the 1920s that bad? Yeah, there's lots of room for black folks in the Mormon view.

Humor.
Golf would be GOOD for you. It would teach you to laugh....at yourself. I'm laughing at you because your response was so absurd as to be amusing. I find the absurd amusing on occasion.

31 posted on 01/29/2012 7:35:37 AM PST by cloudmountain

To: cloudmountain

Stand up comics, there you go, another Mormon approved role for black folks.

It just shows how many little niches the Mormon folk were ready and waiting to have black folks fill once the got they stopped teaching that all black folks were but were in fact the perfect people to fill a great many roles on all those new planets all those new gods were going to be taking care of.

And you know, humor is an especially important role to have well taken care of when all those Mommy Mormons are going to be pumping out spirit babies so often. There's no one who needs a bit of humor more than Mommy Mormon does when her feet are swollen and won't fit into her favorite shoes, her tummy is swollen up to the size of a large watermelon, and she's crying because spirit daddy doesn't spend enough time with her now that he's god of his own planet.

Good point, black folks can be comedians in the Mormon New World and not just singers or dancers.

32 posted on 01/29/2012 12:21:45 PM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)

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