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To: jacknhoo
In a way, we brought this punishment upon ourselves

You know something? I actually agree with you. I have become over the year extremely cynical and non-sympathetic to Black politics but the plain truth is that you can't get away with something like that. It's bound to come back and bite you.

There was no jim crow immediately after the Civil War. That came in with the "redeemer" governments of the 1870's/1880's and was finalized with Plessy vs. Ferguson (I think in 1890). In a way jim crow was worse than slavery. Contrary to popular stereotype, people do not "hate" their property. They care for their property. They take care of it and hand it down to the next generation. Why would the plantation aristocracy insist on keeping a large population of people they "hated" to do their work for them? Yes, their was cruelty and oppression and a denial of humanity (at least legally), but people don't hate their property.

After the war when Blacks were no longer property they found themselves right back where they'd started. But this time in addition to having to do all the work they were not cared for. They were hated and resented for being the "cause" of the War and all that followed. The plantation aristocracy, who formerly inculcated a hatred for poor whites in their slaves, now turned to those poor whites and inculcated in them a hatred of the Blacks. Now Blacks had all of the responsibilities of freedom with none of the dignity and none of the rights.

If there had never been a jim crow there would never have been a social revolution in the 1960's. And what is worse, white Southerners of the jim crow era attributed racial segregation to the law of G-d. And the ironic thing is, the liberals believed them, and still do. The liberals are convinced that in overthrowing jim crow they fought and won their first battle against "the tyrant in the sky" . . . the same "reactionary" force that now "holds back" the homosexuals. The revolution against jim crow now justifies everything . . . homosexual marriage, legalized abortion, pedophilia, everything. And the thing is, there are still those people out there who insist that things will never be rectified until jim crow gets re-established. Believe me, those people are out there. Only now they don't quote the Bible. They invoke "our western civilization." (I wouldn't be a bit surprised if some otherwise religious Blacks don't also fear that a victory over "gay rights" would begin the process of bringing it back.)

It is always a bad idea to add to the Laws of G-d. Even when instituting legitimate protections for the Laws of G-d these extra stringencies should not be attributed to G-d Himself. The Midrash says that when the Serpent asked Eve what G-d had said she answered that G-d had forbidden not only eating the forbidden fruit, but even touching the tree on pain of death. The Serpent then pushed Eve into the tree and said "Since you didn't die when you touched the tree, you also won't die when you eat of the fruit."

Some lessons are never learned.

14 posted on 01/16/2012 2:44:14 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
If there had never been a jim crow there would never have been a social revolution in the 1960's.

I disagree. There was still the Vietnam War to protest.

The real problem is that society became too wealthy and hence spoiled and decadent. With or without Jim Crow or Vietnam, the social revolution would have occurred. Perhaps the revolutionaries would have just concentrated their efforts more on promoting feminism and environmentalism than racial equality and the anti-war movement.

15 posted on 01/17/2012 9:04:08 AM PST by WPaCon
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Sorry but saying Jim Crow was worse than slavery is nonsense. As slaves black families were routinely broken up and sold away from each other. They could be whipped and beaten at any time for any offenses. In many states it was illegal for a slave to be educated.

Under Jim Crow families were kept together, blacks could be educated, they did not have to fear a beating(though lynching was used at times), and they could try and better their situation.

On a morality scale of 1 being good and 10 being evil slavery was a 9 and Jim Crow was a 7.

I read a very good book (whose names escapes me now) about the United States Colored Troops. One of the stories was about a slave who ran away from his plantation, joined the USCT, and made it through the war. As soon as he was released from service he started making his way to Texas. Why? Because just prior to the war beginning his former master had sold his wife and daughter to someone in Texas. This mans story after that is lost to history but i’d like to think he found his wife and daughter and they lived a long and happy life.


26 posted on 01/20/2020 10:11:12 AM PST by OIFVeteran
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