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To: metmom; Dr. Eckleburg

But it is true. If one can not even bother learning to spell the doctrine they oppose to me that means they have not bothered to learn any facts concerning the doctrine. So to claim it as a cause of abuse is nonsense.

My reply got deleted but one thing I did write is that if Dr E had written that one reason some children are vulnerable to abuse by clergy is that some children are taught to regard clergy as always being right with a direct line to God. This along with the fact clergy are authority figures means evil people use that office to commit the foulest crimes against the innocent. Those were not my exact words but that was the gist of it.

The doctrine of Alter Christi is that the priest when adminstering the Sacraments is acting in the person of Christ. It has nothing to do with the abuse scandal and to claim Catholic parents willy nilly subject their children to abuse because of this doctrine is a trunkful of vapors. It is also calumuny against Catholic parents.

Evil priests no doubt took advantage of their office to commit abuse, just as any other authority figure would. The problem is that for many decades it was just not admitted that priests could do evil and children were left defenseless when confronted with that evil. HOw could this “man of God’ do something wrong?

Pedophiles use every weapon in their arsenal to wage psycholgical war on their victims. They isolate their victims from family or friends by telling them lies to make them believe the abuser alone cares about them (the most violent may use threats or physical harm to isolate his or her victim) They twist what happens to convince victims they share in the responsibility for the abuse. They shift definitions of right and wrong, grooming victims into easier and easier acceptance of immoral and abusive behavior.

This is what pedophiles do, whether priests, teachers, police officers, uncles, cousins, mom’s and/or baby sitters.


105 posted on 01/16/2012 10:22:38 PM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: lastchance; metmom; Dr. Eckleburg

Oops one correction

“one thing I did write is that if Dr E had written that one reason some children are vulnerable to abuse by clergy is that some children are taught to regard clergy as always being right with a direct line to God. This along with the fact clergy are authority figures means evil people use that office to commit the foulest crimes against the innocent. I would have agreed with that.”

I left out the last sentence and I wanted to be clear that if that had been the argument it would have had merit.


106 posted on 01/16/2012 10:26:34 PM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: lastchance; metmom
The doctrine of Alter Christi is that the priest when adminstering the Sacraments is acting in the person of Christ

Blasphemy.

Christ can and does act in His own person. Trust Him. He knows how to do it. He doesn't need any ersatz Christs acting in His place.

This is another great example of how the RCC simply negates/ignores the Holy Spirit.

Read the Bible.

"And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not" -- Mark 13:21

109 posted on 01/16/2012 10:41:50 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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