Posted on 01/09/2012 1:26:46 PM PST by mnehring
This is not unusual. I am seeing more and more of this almost parody of what mainstream Christianity is, not coming from outside the fold, but coming from within Christian churches. Attitudes like Perdue's are being taught in our seminaries and Christian colleges.
I am far from what one would consider an "Evangelical" but I can see through Perdue's mockery of Evangelicals as almost resembling word for word what comes from anti-Christian speakers. I have seen the results of this from many friends coming from Divinity school having come back with extreme liberal views, then passing those off in a twisted way as somehow a 'pure Christianity'.
This is the new way the left is attacking. I thought it would be good to discuss here.
I’ve never heard of this guy, but he’s right. Dispensationalism is unscriptural, ridiculous, and tends to discredit Christianity among thinking people.
To say his point of view is another manifestation of the left is just nonsense. No wonder so many people think of “Christians” as dimwitted.
All the people I have known who moved away from destructive behavior, went towards Christianity.
I take it you didn't read the whole article? He only starts with the attack on Dispensationalism but he leaves that early to attack Right leaning Christians in general, from Environmental Issues to Israel, etc. He issues Dispensationalism only as a diving board into the pool of his discussion. (I find a lot of the Dispensationalism ideas off as well but that isn't the point here.)
>>How many of you have ever sung the hymn that says This world is not my home, Im just a-passin through. If Heavens not my home, then Lord what will I do?<<
I don’t know that one — even from when I was singing in Folk Mass where we Catholics sang good old Protestant songs :)
Ditto, that is one of the things that really jumped out (and something I have heard a lot from former Conservatives who come back from Divinity schools). They mock Christian and the Right’s support for Israel simply as ‘God told us too.... and we can bring in the end times’ when that is nothing more than a parody of reasoning.
Dispensationalism is bad because its adherents are less likely to be liberals and because they think Palestinian peace offers are insincere. Uh huh. Got it.
(BibChr, I’m pinging you because I know you have an opinion or two on dispensationalism)
Harold Camping’s a dispensationalist? I thought he was an amillenialist.
If you actually follow the links back to Perdue’s blog, you quickly realize that he’s a Liberal who’s masquerading, knowingly or otherwise, as a Christian. Lots of focus on Social Justice and “Practical Theology”, not so much focus on Christ.
He is, but some people don't bother to tell the truth when it comes to Theology in general and Eschatology in particular. It's easier to just lie about someone's beliefs than it is to actually attack them on the issues.
Wow. I don't know any Christians who believe that war in the ME will "hasten" the return of our Lord.
However, some Islamists (most notably Imanutjob) believe they can hasten the return of the Mahdi by causing war and chaos, and these people certainly seem devoted to the cause. [http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2010/October/The-Mahdi-Why-Iran-is-Seeking-Global-Destruction/]
How many of you have ever sung the hymn that says This world is not my home, Im just a-passin through. If Heavens not my home, then Lord what will I do? This reflects a very common attitude among evangelicals that the earth is just the hotel room of our lives, that we are only here temporarily and should put no more effort into taking care of this earth than we would our room at the Holiday Inn.
he's dead on right about this. I don't recall that song in particular, but I've heard endless repetitions of "I'll fly away", and many others about dieing and going to heaven.
What's wrong with that? It's a truncated personal eschatology. The New Testament's emphasis is not on going to heaven. It's on the resurrection, and the new heavens and new earth.
Dispensationalism is not just bad for the environment.
That it's good or bad for the environment, or any other leftist hobby horse, is completely beside the point. Any question beside whether it's true or not, is beside the point.
Harold Campings a dispensationalist? I thought he was an amillenialist.
Neither. Having called for people to leave the churches, he's completely off the reservation.
Blessed are the peacemakers has been replaced by blessed are the warmongers because they believe Middle Eastern wars will hasten the return of Christ.Wow. I don't know any Christians who believe that war in the ME will "hasten" the return of our Lord.
"Hasten" might not be a good choice of words. But, there's plenty of people, right here on Freerepublic, that seem to be excited with the possibility (based on their recent and quirky reading of Isaiah 17) that the modern secular state of Israel might lob a nuke on Damascus. And, as far as I can see, completely heedless of the consequences.
And, I did read the other day that John Hagee was praying for war.
“This reflects a very common attitude among evangelicals that the earth is just the hotel room of our lives, that we are only here temporarily and should put no more effort into taking care of this earth than we would our room at the Holiday Inn. Why bother fighting global warming and keeping water and air clean if were just here temporally?”
The above quote is nonsense.
Whether or not SOME or ALL or A FEW “evangelicals” believe that “the earth is just a hotel room” it is not a given than some, or all, or even most “evangelicals” DO NOT think we are supposed to be good stewards of the earth “while we are here”. It is not even a given that all, or even most “evangelicals” reject the man-made CO2 global warming premise.
However, accepting the man-made global warming premises is a scientific and political question, not a theological one. To say it is a theological question is an admission that the author accepts the man-made global warming premise and its political bias and feels free to attack those who do not as morally in error. He is wrong, on accepting the man-made global warming premise and in his pretense that those who do not commit a moral error. His theological hubris is the greater moral error.
The author is a fool and obviously knows little about the behavior of Evangelicals. Evangelical Christians are known as good stewards, and I’d argue that hotel operators know it. I don’t know of any Christian who would do anything but take good care of a room at a Holiday Inn. To do otherwise would treat others differently than we would like to be treated.
“Many adherents are actively engaged in preventing Palestinian statehood because they believe the modern state of Israel has prophetic significance. This has led them to oppose peace in the Middle East, and has cost the lives of thousands of Palestinian and Israeli children.”
The above quote is nothing other than a reflection of politically indoctrinated ignorance.
“Peace in the Middle East” is prevented by and opposed by primarily one group of people - the political leaders of the Arabs of the former British Mandate of Palestine who now reside outside of Israel and outside of Jordan.
Peace has always been open to them, and they have always rejected it because they have never been able to get it, by war or otherwise, on terms that will create the end or the destruction of the state of Israel.
Peace was open to them in 1948 when the independent Jewish state was a tiny, fractured, physically insecure entity and the Arabs of the former British Mandate of Palestine outside of Israel, whether in Jordan elsewhere, held over 90% of “Palestine” as theirs. But they didn’t want Peace. They wanted the destruction of Israel, as tiny as it was.
There were more “Palestinian refugees” after Israel declared independence than before, BECAUSE the Arabs chose war instead of Peace.
Isreal’s borders grew with Israel’s refusal to be destroyed by the wars mounted against it, because the Arabs chose war over Peace.
Peace requires parties to negotiate, it is not created by one party agreeing to commit suicide. Israel has always been ready to sit and negotiate. The Arabs have always demanded some form of precondition in order to negotiate and those preconditions amount to some form of Israel giving up some aspect of their existence just to get the Arabs to sit down with them.
If “Peace” is not being negotiated now, it is the choice of the Arabs, not Israel.
There is nothing “evangelical” or even “religious” or even “right wing” about any of this. Its just history. The history of one group - the Arabs of Palestine outside of Israel - who have wanted one thing more than Peace - the destruction of Israel.
Furthermore, the author writes that:
"Dispensationalism is not just bad for the environment. Many adherents are actively engaged in preventing Palestinian statehood because they believe the modern state of Israel has prophetic significance. This has led them to oppose peace in the Middle East, and has cost the lives of thousands of Palestinian and Israeli children."
Israel is important and does figure most prominently in prophesy. Our task as Christians is to support and defend her and her people for we are not an independent group of God's people; we have been grafted into the root of the tree of Abraham (Romans 11:7).
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