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To: stfassisi
Good Post! The truth of the early Fathers has been marred by this fake, phony,and fraud revisionist lies. Our good decent indy church brothers and sisters had no idea how bad the lies were. That St. Augustine did not believe in the real presence is amazing besides the other non-truths.

St. AUGUSTINE

“Christ was Carried in his Own Hands when, referring to His Own Body, he said, ‘This Is MY BODY’ [Matt. 26:26]. For he carried That BODY in HIS HANDS” (Explanations of the Psalms 33:1:10 [A.D. 405]).

This was not shown. What author would ignore this blaring red light verses. Just Amazing. Then declare opposite. Falsehood.

Well. What does not click is that Augustine was a bishop who was in the Church Traditions. This solo scripture idea is foreign to Augustine. The Gutenberg press was not invented yet until a thousand years later. Hardly anyone had their own copy. There was no neatly made bible book like today. All the church had at the time was scrolls(perishable hides) which only priests and Bishops had in the church. Scrolls were hard to copy. The layman believer heard scripture not read. The Priest would go by memory or read scripture to them. When Augustine is writing about canonical scripture. He is really showing how the church presents it. Which is in the Mass service. This is how he is writing about scripture. His writings are sent to equals(priests or Bishops or only after bishop reads to the people). His main purpose is scripture by the Church without always saying it in these writings. But to isolate then say gotcha is just plain baiting which is wrong from this "scholar"(W.W.). You also have to know the times and technology. There was no neat Bible Books made yet.

172 posted on 01/09/2012 9:57:00 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass ,Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: johngrace

“”The truth of the early Fathers has been marred by this fake, phony,and fraud revisionist lies. “”

The good thing is that Webster is pretty sloppy and can be easily proven wrong when one reads broader writings of the Church Fathers that Webster uses to try and make his points

“”Hardly anyone had their own copy. There was no neatly made bible book like today. All the church had at the time was scrolls(perishable hides) which only priests and Bishops had in the church. Scrolls were hard to copy. “”

Correct,and when you understand the process and the translations of the copyist, solo scripture becomes a real mess

Here is a good understand of this.

CHRISTIAN TRANSMISSION OF GREEK JEWISH SCRIPTURES:
A METHODOLOGICAL PROBE
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/gopher/other/journals/kraftpub/Transmission%20of%20Gk-Jewish%20Scriptures


180 posted on 01/10/2012 6:34:51 AM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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