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To: bibletruth

Stop being spiritually lazy and thinking that intellectual religion will save you.

As St. Paul also says in Romans 2:13,”for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.”

This echoes St. James in James 2:24. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

And James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

St. Gregory of Sinai summarizes the Catholic/Orthodox view on faith better than anyone who I have seen.
St. Gregory of Sinai, a 13th century Greek monk, who is considered a saint by Catholics and Orthodox alike writes the following in his treatise: “On Commandments and Doctrines”

“Grace-imbued faith, energized by the Holy Spirit, alone suffices for salvation, provided we sustain it and do not opt for a dead and effectual faith rather than a living and effective faith in Christ.”
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Penance serves to humble the heart of the believer to being a better follower of Christ because he can only be served with humility.

And St. Mark the Ascetic, a 4th century Desert Father teaches:
18. Some without fulfilling the commandments think that they possess true faith.
Others fulfil the commandments and then expect the kingdom as a reward due to
them. Both are mistaken.
19. A master is under no obligation to reward his slaves; on the other hand, those who
do not serve him well are not given their freedom.
20. If ‘Christ died on our account in accordance with the Scriptures’ (Rm 5:8; 1Co
15:3), and we do not ‘live for ourselves’, but ‘for Him who died and rose’ on our
account (2Co 5:15), it is clear that we are debtors to Christ to serve Him till our
death. How then can we regard sonship as something which is our due?
21. Christ is Master by virtue of His own essence and Master by virtue of His incarnate
life. For He creates man from nothing, and through His own Blood redeems him
when dead in sin; and to those who believe in Him He has given His grace.22. When Scripture says ‘He will reward every man according to his works’ (Mt 16:27),
do not imagine that works in themselves merit either hell or the kingdom. On the
contrary, Christ rewards each man according to whether his works are done with
faith or without faith in Himself; and He is not a dealer bound by contract, but God
our Creator and Redeemer.


37 posted on 01/03/2012 6:14:55 PM PST by rzman21
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To: rzman21
On the contrary...your religious system is spiritually undiscerned to continue to be justified by yourselves out from among works of the flesh. However, when you quote James you are boasting about your very own self righteous works - but what does my God say to you about your own works?:

Ephesians 2:8: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:9: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

It is impossible for me to lose my salvation: Read what GOD says to you, GOD has done ALL the WORK on the Cross for the complete forgiveness of ALL my sins forever, and no pope can take that out of the hands of GOD:

Romans 8:34: Who is he that condemneth? [the Pope condemns all that are not Catholics] It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Romans 8:35: Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

Romans 8:36: As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Romans 8:37: Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

Romans 8:38: For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Romans 8:39: Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

It is Christ's finished work on the Cross that permits me to "rest" in the finished work of Christ knowing that my sins are completely forgiven - it is GOD who forgives my sins, not men -- but you must continue to go about your own self righteous works to be saved...hoping that in the end you are saved after you physically die... All the while I will be in heaven watching from above as you continue to boast in doing good works which are opposed to God's free grace of salvation...

Ephesians 2:8: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:9: Not of works, lest any man should boast.


54 posted on 01/03/2012 7:21:33 PM PST by bibletruth
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To: rzman21
Stop being spiritually lazy and thinking that intellectual religion will save you.
As St. Paul also says in Romans 2:13,”for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.”

How is it that an intellectual like yourself neglected to read the next chapter in the book...

Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Does those verses make any sense to you or are you completely blinded to what is simply says??? Or do you refuse to acknowledge them because they completely destroy your theology???

77 posted on 01/04/2012 6:20:32 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: rzman21
Stop being spiritually lazy and thinking that intellectual religion will save you.

Why don't you ask your co-religionist this who bragged that Catholicism is the "thinking man's religion" and that you have to be really smart?

204 posted on 01/04/2012 2:19:41 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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