[dangus]

See, what you don’t realize is that you’ve come all the away around to the position that the Catholic Church was arguing in refutation of Luther. Luther was charged with making the following statements:

In every good work the just man sins.

A good work done very well is a venial sin.

No one is certain that he is not always sinning mortally, because of the most hidden vice of pride.

Great is the error of those who approach the sacrament of the Eucharist relying on this, that they have confessed, that they are not conscious of any mortal sin, that they have sent their prayers on ahead and made preparations; all these eat and drink judgment to themselves.

As long as we wish to confess all sins without exception, we are doing nothing else than to wish to leave nothing to God’s mercy for pardon.

By no means may you presume to confess venial sins, nor even all mortal sins, because it is impossible that you know all mortal sins.

Contrition, which is acquired through discussion, collection, and detestation of sins, by which one reflects upon his years in the bitterness of his soul, by pondering over the gravity of sins, their number, their baseness, the loss of eternal beatitude, and the acquisition of eternal damnation, this contrition makes him a hypocrite, indeed more a sinner.

Thus, the pope wrote of Luther as he excommunicated him:

Nevertheless Martin himself—and it gives us grievous sorrow and perplexity to say this—the slave of a depraved mind, has scorned to revoke his errors within the prescribed interval and to send us word of such revocation, or to come to us him-self; nay, like a stone of stumbling, he has feared not to write and preach worse things than before against us and this Holy See and the Catholic faith, and to lead others on to do the same.

[boatbums]

It is noticeable that you failed to cite the references for these "quotes" of Luther's as well as the Pope's. What is missed when people do this is the context of those words as well as the full statement. There is a very good site that can be used to look up presumed quotes of Luther, it is http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/p/obscure-luther-quotes.html. Though I do not follow Luther, I find that much of the vehemence thrown at him is due to misquotes, manufactured quotes, misunderstandings and a desire to degrade him personally so that what he taught can be summarily dismissed as well.

So, what you may not realize is that I have not arrived at the position of the Catholic Church WRT justification since I know full well what they teach and I find it both unscriptural and irrational. It fits Paul's definition of an accursed Gospel since it misses the whole point of grace. Something Luther understood pretty well.