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To: fishtank
Whether the words mean “again” or “from above”, a spiritual regeneration MUST occur for salvation, and it does NOT happen at baptism. It is by grace, through faith.

The Bible disagrees with you:

1 Peter 3: 21This prefigured baptism, which saves you now. It is not a removal of dirt from the body but an appeal to God* for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Matthew 28:1919h Go, therefore,* and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit,

John 3:5 Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God"

Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the will of God for themselves, not having been baptized by him

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit"

Acts 10:48a And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord

Romans 6:3-4 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life

Now you may say that other things are required, but the one constant is that baptism does play at part in salvation.

112 posted on 01/04/2012 9:13:46 AM PST by verga (We get what we tolerate and increase that which we reward)
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To: verga
Now you may say that other things are required, but the one constant is that baptism does play at part in salvation.

Sure it does...But it's not water baptism...

It the baptism of the Holy Spirit...Something of which none of you have ever experienced...How could you, you don't even believe in it...

You guys are all baptized with John's baptism...

150 posted on 01/04/2012 10:28:23 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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