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To: count-your-change

“No, it’s not another way of saying anything. Acts chapter shows the disciple James, not Peter, acting as spokesman and leader of the church in Jerusalem rendering a decision about new converts.”

Perhaps that’s because he’s Bishop of Jerusalem?

“When Paul and Barnabas are sent to Antioch it is the “apostles and older men” who come one accord, not just Peter, in the decision.”

Yet, in Acts 1, before Pentecost, it comes down to Peter. Why is this? When it comes to appointing replacements to the 12, it’s Peter who decides.

“While there Paul decides to revisit cities where he had preached. Does he consult with Peter? Seek his leadership?”

So you’re telling me he didn’t keep Peter appraised as to where he was going? He already had permission to travel.

“Peter as the leader of the church? Scripture doesn’t bear that out.”

If it wasn’t him, who was it?


124 posted on 01/03/2012 12:45:58 PM PST by BenKenobi
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To: BenKenobi; count-your-change

Why do you repeat the same misconception about the Council in Jerusalem?

They meet to discuss the revelation that PETER had and James does not render a decision, he AGREES with Peter and the others after the discussion. He is a spokesman only for the others, Peter already had made the call after the revelation that was given only to him.


136 posted on 01/03/2012 1:57:58 PM PST by Jvette
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To: BenKenobi
Paul didn't need permission to travel from James or Peter. He had already traveled to Arabia without consulting with the apostles or anyone in Jerusalem. (Gal. chapter 1)
Paul had already been entrusted with a ministry to the uncircumcised while Peter went to the circumcised. (Gal., chap. 2)

Paul and Barnabas were sent with Judas and Silas to Anitoch with the decision made by the apostles and older men in Jerusalem concerning what was binding also upon the Christians in Antioch. (Acts, chapter 15)

“Perhaps that’s because he’s Bishop of Jerusalem?”

He's not given any title like Bishop nor is the extent of his authority named. He attributes his decision to holy spirit and the apostles and older men as to these necessary things for the Antioch Christians.

If James presided only over the Christians in Jerusalem then decisions for the entire church are being made a group consisting of the apostles and older men.

“Yet, in Acts 1, before Pentecost, it comes down to Peter. Why is this? When it comes to appointing replacements to the 12, it’s Peter who decides.”

Well...No. Peter says it is necessary to chose a replacement as was prophesied but who the two candidates were was not his decision but probably of all the apostles present and it was by lot the replacement was chosen. (Acts chap., 1)

So it clearly is not Peter who decides.

138 posted on 01/03/2012 2:08:29 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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