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To: crosshairs
Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works. James (2,18)

For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. James (2,26)

Grace by Faith, first, yes. Then comes conversion and works must follow --not for one's own sense of self-worth, but for love of the Holy Trinity.

168 posted on 01/02/2012 5:21:12 PM PST by beancounter13
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To: beancounter13
Grace by Faith, first, yes. Then comes conversion and works must follow --not for one's own sense of self-worth, but for love of the Holy Trinity.

You can't do works to get saved...You don't do works to stay saved...

We do good works because it is our new nature...We want to do good works...

'Love' and 'must' do not go together, at all...

288 posted on 01/03/2012 9:39:16 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: beancounter13; Iscool
Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works. James (2,18)

For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. James (2,26)

Neither of those two verses says that works are required to obtain salvation. All they say is that works demonstrate that salvation has already occurred. That saving faith, as opposed to intellectual assent, has been exercised.

Grace by Faith, first, yes. Then comes conversion and works must follow --not for one's own sense of self-worth, but for love of the Holy Trinity.

Actually, Grace by Faith, first, yes. Then comes conversion and works WILL follow --not for one's own sense of self-worth, but for love of the Holy Trinity.

Works are the natural result of true saving faith. If someone does not have works, there is legitimate reason to question whether saving faith was exercised in the first place.

Not because works contribute to saving faith, but because they are the fruit of it and by a man's fruits he is known.

295 posted on 01/03/2012 12:06:54 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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