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To: Cvengr

He really doesn’t have to rely on other people in the Church in order for His will to be fulfilled, although it does glorify the Son when all the members of His body work to glorify Him.

>>He doesn’t have to. But history shows that he has. How do you know that say the Gnostics weren’t right objectively speaking?

If the Church Fathers had no authority from God to say anything, how do you know that the Holy Spirit protected the New Testament and that we shouldn’t be running off to the nearest rabbi seeking to become Jewish?

If that Church Fathers were liars in their testimony for Christ then we should all convert to Judaism because without them there would not be any sort of objective witness to what is scripture and what isn’t.


67 posted on 12/30/2011 8:54:53 PM PST by rzman21
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To: rzman21

God the Holy Spirit is more than adequate witness for believers in fellowship with Him.

Heb 10:12-16
(12) But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
(13) From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
(14) For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
(15) Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
(16) This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;


70 posted on 12/30/2011 9:03:19 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: rzman21
"how do you know that the Holy Spirit protected the New Testament and that we shouldn’t be running off to the nearest rabbi seeking to become Jewish?"

Actually, we do run to the nearest rabbi. He also is known as our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus. He is truly Jewish.

99 posted on 12/31/2011 4:09:33 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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