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To: CynicalBear

“Not only did Jesus say that those who would believe on Him would be more blessed than Mary”

He never says that at all. He says: “blessed are those that hear the Word of God and obey.

One, you’re assuming that Mary disobeyed, AND that he was denying what he taught - “honor thy father and thy mother”.

He does not say you can dishonor them, only that He is to take priority.

Get it right. If you’re going to quote scripture, get it right or don’t bother.

“The entire Mariology myth”

Then tell me what the Catholic church believes about Mary. Good luck. I bet you can’t.

“The only written record from Bible times”

And what is this account? I wager it’s not reputable or otherwise you’ve have cited it before..


666 posted on 01/07/2012 8:39:23 AM PST by BenKenobi
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To: BenKenobi
>> He never says that at all. He says: “blessed are those that hear the Word of God and obey.<<

Luke 11:27-28 27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 But he said, Nay rather, (Greek Menounge: nay surely, nay rather) blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

The words spoken to Mary were no different then were spoken to Jael in Judges. In fact, Jael was called blessed above women. Mary was called blessed among women.

Luke 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Judges 5:24 Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be,

Those words were also spoken of Noah, Moses, and David.

>> And what is this account? I wager it’s not reputable or otherwise you’ve have cited it before..<<

Jeremiah 7:17 Seest thou not what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

The people defy Jeremiah and insist on venerating the “Queen of heaven”.

Jeremiah 44:16 As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the LORD, we will not hearken unto thee. 17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. 18 But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine. 19 And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?

Jeremiah 7:16 Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.

God gives them over to their evil wants.

Jeremiah 44:25 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows. 26 Therefore hear ye the word of the LORD, all Judah that dwell in the land of Egypt; Behold, I have sworn by my great name, saith the LORD, that my name shall no more be named in the mouth of any man of Judah in all the land of Egypt, saying, The Lord GOD liveth. 27 Behold, I will watch over them for evil, and not for good: and all the men of Judah that are in the land of Egypt shall be consumed by the sword and by the famine, until there be an end of them.

It was only 400 years after the flood when the “queen of heaven” concept began. Do some research on the death of Nimrod, King of Babylon, and his wife Semiramis. Babylon becomes the fountainhead of false religion in the Post-Flood world. "Mystery Babylon" is an even more theme in Bible prophecy. Revelation 17-18 depicts God's final judgment of world religion plus world commerce and trade since these man-made systems have sprung from the source rebellion of Nimrod and Babel.

668 posted on 01/07/2012 9:06:28 AM PST by CynicalBear
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