“Can all of your beliefs be substantiated by teaching from scripture? Mine can.”
If this were true you would not be citing Barnes.
“I only used quotes from him because they agreed with scripture and he put it in succinct terms and I didn’t have to type it all out.”
So why should I find his interpretation to be authoritative?
“That was just one thing that I used. I was supported by scripture and agreed with scripture in all aspects.”
I hear you, but before I can accept anything written by Barnes as being authoritative, I would need your concession that the things written by the Church Fathers would also be acceptable.
“Only if what they teach is also taught in scripture.”
So how would you go about proving that abortion was wrong?
“The bodily assumption of Mary is not found in scripture”
Neither is the teaching that Christ and God and the Holy spirit are of the same substance. That Christ has a divine nature and a human nature. There are plenty of things that are understood to be core teachings that are not found in scripture. We can infer it from texts that support them, but that is not the same as saying they are contained in scripture.
As for Mary’s bodily assumption, well what does Kacharatomene mean?
“and is not supported by scripture.”
It is a consequence of scriptural teachings. If A and B are true than C must be also.
“It is therefore a “doctrine of men”. “
So is what Barnes writes. That does not make what he teaches contrary to scripture. You say that he is in accord with scripture and so is the bodily assumption of Mary.
Using already existing words from someone more articulate in expressing something is not equal to “citing them”. If he had stated something not provable by scripture I would not have used his words. The tactic you try to employ to somehow justify “citing” someone who states something not provable by scripture is getting a little weak.
>>So why should I find his interpretation to be authoritative?<<
Have you not been listening to any of us? Do you not keep up with conversation? You “search the scriptures daily to see if these things be true”.
>>I hear you, but before I can accept anything written by Barnes as being authoritative, I would need your concession that the things written by the Church Fathers would also be acceptable.<<
Quote something they said that agrees with scripture and I have no problem with it. Quote something that isn’t and I’ll reject it. Satan himself knows there is a triune God. He also twists scripture for his own purposes. I agree with him on the Triune God part but not much else. Get the picture?
>>So how would you go about proving that abortion was wrong?<<
If your lack of knowledge about scripture is that weak I would suggest some study.
Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; and before you came forth out of the womb I sanctified you, and I ordained you a prophet unto the nations.
Psalm 139:13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
Even asking that question of people who are Christians indicates a lack of knowledge of scripture. The sanctity of life even in the womb shouldn’t even be an issue. Even the secular courts have declared people guilty of murder for killing the unborn. It’s almost embarrassing to have to answer that question from someone who claims to be a Christian.
>>Neither is the teaching that Christ and God and the Holy spirit are of the same substance.<<<
That line used by Catholics is so lame it’s getting to be ridiculous. It’s been shown over and over again that it is contained in scripture. Even the RCC used scripture to formulate the doctrine. Bringing that up over and over again does nothing for you credibility.
>>It is a consequence of scriptural teachings. If A and B are true than C must be also.<<
The weakness of that as a base for theology should be apparent to any intelligent human being let alone anyone indwelt by the Holy Spirit. Beliefs based on “assumed”, “could be”, it’s possible, or any other carnal knowledge and logic is weak, dangerous, and deadly.
>>You say that he is in accord with scripture and so is the bodily assumption of Mary.<<
Then quote the scriptures that prove the bodily assumption of Mary. If you claim it’s in scripture be the first to show it.