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To: CynicalBear

Which one is Barnes? Is he an Apostle or is he Christ?

You clearly aren’t restricting yourself to either the Apostles or Christ to justify your beliefs. Why should I?

“Oh what total nonsense. Are you saying the RCC made it up?”

Are you saying the Catholic church wrote the Athanasian Creed, which defines the trinity?

I’m happy to discuss what the Church Fathers teach on the Assumption of Mary, but only if you’re willing to concede that what they teach is valid.

Since you’re following Barnes, I don’t see why this should be a problem. You’re saying we should regard Barnes as authoritative in his intepretation of Scripture.

Now, are you willing to concede that the Church Fathers are also authoritative?


489 posted on 01/05/2012 7:24:29 PM PST by BenKenobi
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To: BenKenobi
>>You clearly aren’t restricting yourself to either the Apostles or Christ to justify your beliefs. Why should I?<<

Can all of your beliefs be substantiated by teaching from scripture? Mine can.

>>I’m happy to discuss what the Church Fathers teach on the Assumption of Mary, but only if you’re willing to concede that what they teach is valid.<<

Is it taught in scripture? If it’s not its myth or made up.

>>Since you’re following Barnes, I don’t see why this should be a problem.<<

I don’t “follow Barnes”. I only used quotes from him because they agreed with scripture and he put it in succinct terms and I didn’t have to type it all out. I may not even agree with him on all things. That was just one thing that I used. I was supported by scripture and agreed with scripture in all aspects.

>>Now, are you willing to concede that the Church Fathers are also authoritative?<<

Only if what they teach is also taught in scripture. I have no issues with using their explanation if it is taught in scripture. The bodily assumption of Mary is not found in scripture and is not supported by scripture. It is therefore a “doctrine of men”.

493 posted on 01/05/2012 8:34:49 PM PST by CynicalBear
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