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To: daniel1212

Enforcement of clerical celibacy is a reasonable disagreement. It’s an argument we have within ourselves. It’s something that may change, without touching the doctrine of the church.

If a church has married men as pastors, I have no qualms with that whatsoever. Christ permits us that freedom, but that is a two way street.

“and as Catholics themselves are quite liberal when it comes to contraceptive use, and as surveys testify to evangelicals overall being more conservative in most things, my point was that it was unlikely that Catholics overall would convert to evangelicalism because it was more liberal.”

It’s not so much that it is liberal, it is slack where they wish it to be slack. Again, I was an evangelical. There was nothing barring use of contraception except as an abortifacient. Someone going the other way would likely see that as attractive, which makes sense to me.

The same is true of the Catholic church, btw. In folks going the other way, you’ll see desire for a formalized liturgy, but a big one is the eucharist. Belief in the real presence, was for me, the stepping stone over. I became convinced that the Lord was truly present in the bread and wine.

That is something the Catholic church does well, in their focus on the eucharist and on Christ in the liturgy. The rest took time. It took me about two years before I was ready to join the Catholic church. I didn’t join until I was ready to say that I understood and believed in everything that the Church teaches.

The other for me, was the whole structure. A big concern for me was what was happening to the Episcopalians, in blessing homosexuality. I didn’t believe, as my friends did, that the solution was to pack up and leave and form another church. I didn’t want that.

I believed, then as now, that if I was to join a church, that I would be a part of that Church for the rest of my life. So there is that search for assurance.


415 posted on 01/04/2012 9:36:09 PM PST by BenKenobi
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To: BenKenobi

Thank you for your own honest reply. For for me, having been raised to devout Roman Catholic, it was just the opposite. Though I was raised a faithfully practicing Catholic, i became truly born again, a heart and life-changing experience in which even nature seemed new, at about age 25. I was not looking for Jesus in the Lord’s supper, but found Him speaking to me through his Scriptures and His spiritual leading.

And I consider Episcopalians to be part of the entire institutionalized church, in which very very few have had a day of salvation when they were manifestly born again.

As for Catholics leaving Rome to go to an evangelical church for freedom to use contraception, again, Catholics have no problem doing that anyway, among other things.


421 posted on 01/04/2012 10:34:27 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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