Posted on 12/30/2011 5:23:14 AM PST by Colofornian
Edited on 12/30/2011 5:44:11 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
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Objections overruled by reality lurker. you may not like reality, but that is where we live. It is apparent that it will take professional help for you to understand reality.
My view is realistic - you’ve already surrendered and are going as far as to endorse it.
But there is fraud involved, welfare fraud. over 80% of polygamous wives are on welfare. And allowing them to marry won’t change that, they are proud that they ‘bleed the beast’ (US Gov’t).
They do steal government funds and the children ARE directly hurt. Ever hear of the “Lost Boys” of Utah? Ever met a woman who escaped polygamy? Ever met someone who was forced into marriage at 14 to a 60 yr old man? Ever been to Hilldale/Colorado City?
Because I have. Polygamy needs to be eradicated and the law needs to be enforced.
The welfare angle of polygamy has been proven over and over and over again. Sometimes that is all they prosecute on (esp in Utah where they turn a blind eye).
And it is relevant because it takes your opinion and proves it invalid since you claimed polygamy doesn’t hurt anyone or doesn’t involve fraud.
BTW, no one said you couldn’t comment, we just proved your comments asinine.
Interesting. I hadn’t heard that.
Can you prove that these people are on welfare of any kind?
And the solution to the problem is to end welfare not tell consenting adults who they can live with.
(As in three homosexual guys "marrying" each other..."congrats," Lurker...you've been able to advocate that on FR without yet being zotted...pro-homosexual lurker-voyeur troll alert)
#1...Exactly how many anti-welfare threads have you posted, Lurker? (Or perhaps you could fill us in on all the anti-welfare activity you've done offline)
#2...Lurker, if you really want to start getting into the business of telling welfare recipients to get off welfare, aren't you breaking your staple pet doctrinnaire position of "Thou shalt mind thine own business?"
Aren't you guilty of breaking thine own commandment..? Aren't you minding the business of too many welfare recipients?
Aren't you supposed to be just sticking to your own business, per your own standard? (Or is that standard gone for good...gone with the wind because you couldn't abide by it?)
Every time one of these cases comes up there is evidence of fraud. You have your head in the sand. Unless of course you are a polygamist.
Then there’s that pesky part of the 1st Amendment which says “nor prohibit the free exercise thereof” to deal with.
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You are forgetting something. There are laws which do limit certain aspects of religious observance, murder, trade and possession of body parts, cannibalism, and yes Polygamy have all be outlawed.
Do you support murder because it might be a religious requirement?
Hey, government officials are adults who have "consented" to give certain qualifying people welfare. These welfare recipients aren't children. They, too, have "consented" to receive those benefits.
Based upon your combo standards of "consenting adults" engaging in activity and "mind your own business" what are you doing in failing to restrain yourself in commenting on these activities?
Why are you judging behavior 'tween "consenting adults" and why is that your business if legal consenting-adult behavior is transacted 'tween parties? Shouldn't you just be "bugging out of it" by your own self-restraint per the worldviews you preach upon?
(Get a consistent life)
That still does not change the fact that Joseph Smith is behind most of modern day polygamy, not Texas.
I don’t get your love for Mormons, I really don’t, especially considering your hatred for Protestants.
I’m discussing civil law, not theology on this thread.
Can you prove that these people are on welfare of any kind?
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Do you know any polygamists or ex-polygamists? I do, several of them.
Every one I know who has escaped speaks of welfare fraud and that it isn’t consenting adults, at best it is spiritual blackmail at worst pedophelia. Get your head out of the sand, man. Look into it, talk to ex-polygamists (like Doris Hanson of Shield and Refuge or Flora Jessop). Read “Under the Banner of Heaven”. In short, shut up until you do your research.
I have seen the welfare fraud first hand, so have many others. Do you know that one of the founding reasons for the establishment of the GOP was to do away with polygamy? Even then they saw it for the evil it is.
For starters here are some articles...there are plenty more.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2001180/posts
http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy5.html
http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy69.html
http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/03/bleeding-the-beast-polygamist-sect-accused-of-abusing-welfare/
http://www.childbrides.org/abuses_Howell_time_to_end_abuse.html
I don’t get your love for Mormons, I really don’t, especially considering your hatred for Protestants.
>>I’m indifferent about the Mormons because I regard them as irrelevant.
Yet you dismissed the Mormon background for polygamy and put it entirely on the gays.
Don’t dismiss the origin of these people’s belief and why they want polygamy. It has nothing to do with homosexuality in this case. Although I do know a gay polygamist.
>I’m indifferent about the Mormons because I regard them as irrelevant.
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And that is an error on your part since they specifically target Catholics above other groups for conversion with great success.
It does here because it set the precedent that has been used to undermine the common-law definition of marriage.
What I’m trying to say is the gays made it possible for polygamy to be legalized.
Sen. Santorum warned about that back in 2003 and was castigated for it.
Lots.
perhaps you could fill us in on all the anti-welfare activity you've done offline)
I have a job.
#2...Lurker, if you really want to start getting into the business of telling welfare recipients to get off welfare, aren't you breaking your staple pet doctrinnaire position of "Thou shalt mind thine own business?"
My taxes pay for their welfare therefore it is my business.
Aren't you guilty of breaking thine own commandment..? Aren't you minding the business of too many welfare recipients?
See above.
Aren't you supposed to be just sticking to your own business, per your own standard?
You're not what people call "smart", are you.
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