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To: narses

The greek word for elder is different than the greek words for priest.. archiereus which translates into “High Priest” and hiereus which translates one that OFFERS SACRIFICES.

The role of the priesthood in scripture was to offer sacrifices.. That is what a priest does in scripture.. God set aside one tribe to be priests, they were not granted any land as God was their inheritance .

The greek have a couple words for priest

hiereus

1) a priest, one who offers sacrifices and in general in busied with sacred rites
a) referring to priests of Gentiles or the Jews,
2) metaph. of Christians, because, purified by the blood of Christ and brought into close intercourse with God, they devote their life to him alone and to Christ

and archiereus

Outline of Biblical Usage
1) chief priest, high priest
2) the high priests, these comprise in addition to one holding the high priestly office, both those who had previously discharged it and although disposed, continued to have great power in the State, as well as the members of the families from which high priest were created, provided that they had much influence in public affairs.
3) Used of Christ because by undergoing a bloody death he offered himself as an expiatory sacrifice to God, and has entered into the heavenly sanctuary where he continually intercedes on our behalf.

Neither role is given in scripture for the new church ..

Christ fulfilled the role of Priest on the cross.. there is no more sacrifice for sin

He is now our High Priest..

The word for elder is presbyteros here is the GREEK definition
1) elder, of age,
a) the elder of two people
b) advanced in life, an elder, a senior
1) forefathers
2) a term of rank or office
a) among the Jews
1) members of the great council or Sanhedrin (because in early times the rulers of the people, judges, etc., were selected from elderly men)
2) of those who in separate cities managed public affairs and administered justice
b) among the Christians, those who presided over the assemblies (or churches) The NT uses the term bishop, elders, and presbyters interchangeably
c) the twenty four members of the heavenly Sanhedrin or court seated on thrones around the throne of God

Now the Holy Spirit knows the difference in the greek words.. there is no priesthood provided for in the NT church.

There was no priests in the new church, it was about 300 AD before the first priesthood appeared..

The Jewish priesthood was a type of Christ fulfilled at the cross.. As if to punctuate that the Jewish priesthood was destroyed by God in 70 AD..there was no longer a need for the type..or as Hebrews puts it

Hbr 4:14 ¶ Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.

Hbr 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.


508 posted on 12/31/2011 10:28:22 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
There was no priests in the new church, it was about 300 AD before the first priesthood appeared..
Not so much. Your opinions are yours, but making up facts is dishonest.
509 posted on 12/31/2011 10:29:37 PM PST by narses
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To: RnMomof7
Well said. To it's credit the NAB has pretty much stopped translating presbyteros as priest.
511 posted on 01/01/2012 12:00:23 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: RnMomof7; narses
"There was no priests in the new church, it was about 300 AD before the first priesthood appeared.

Oh, so Scriptures were conveniently altered to go along with what was happening around 300AD?

Hebrews 13:17 Obey your prelates and be subject to them. For they watch as being to render an account of your souls: that they may do this with joy and not with grief. For this is not expedient for you.

So are you saying those portions of Hebrews that clearly contridict your fantasy intepretation of Scriptues are lies or just errors? Or, is it that those who apply The Lego Block Method of Scripture Interpretation think they can pick any verses from anywhere and then stick them together to mean whatever they like the same way Humpty Dumpty said words mean exactly what he wanted them to mean?

The folks who love to make up their own religion by stringing verses together to mean whatever they like always ignore the very simple, very clear, Scripture. Like the portion of Jude that warns against the heresy of "the priesthood of all believers" and clearly identifies it as something those of us under the New Covenant need avoid:

Jude 1:10 But these men blaspheme whatever things they know not: and what things soever they naturally know, like dumb beasts, in these they are corrupted.
Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! For they have gone in the way of Cain: and after the error of Balaam they have for reward poured out themselves and have perished in the contradiction of Core.

Everyone realizes that whatever turns them on is exactly what the "Proddy" folks find in the Scriptures which is why "Proddy" fantasy based responses more often than not begin with, "that's what the Scriptures say, but that's not what they mean". Explaining that what the Scriptures say isn't what they really mean is about seven eighths of what the "Proddy" crowd calls "interpretation" and "apologetics". Just like the Mormons and JW crowd, the anti-Catholic crowd, the queer marrying and queer ordaining "Christian" churches, and the abortion excusing "forgiven before it even happened" crowd, all pretend to cloak themselves in Scriptures by reinterpreting and twisting Scriptures to suit their own personal preferences. To such folks, Scriptures are just a string of pearls to play with in their hog wallow.

Those who claim to be Christian but who are really first and foremost anti-Catholic always give away their real beliefs by denying the power of Christ. They deny Him by denying that He delegated authority to the Apostles, built His Church on the Apostles, and protected His Church for the two thousand years since He founded it, even though that's exactly what Christ Himself said He would do. Those who deny that Christ did what He said He would do are not Christians even if they’ve been brainwashed into thinking they’re following Christ. That’s why it will be so sad when such folks are told, “I never knew you”. They will have spent their lives always learning but never coming to knowledge of the Truth.

515 posted on 01/01/2012 1:27:15 AM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: RnMomof7
Hebrews 9:24-28 24 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. 25 Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26 for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

Hebrews 10:8-18 8 When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), 9 then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second. 10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

15 And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying,

16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,”

17 then he adds,

“I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”

18 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.

518 posted on 01/01/2012 6:29:13 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: RnMomof7; narses

“”There was no priests in the new church, it was about 300 AD before the first priesthood appeared.””

Wrong

From Saint Clement of Rome’s first Epistle to Corinthians written sometime around 80 AD

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1010.htm
Chapter 44. The Ordinances of the Apostles, that There Might Be No Contention Respecting the Priestly Office.


523 posted on 01/01/2012 10:10:28 AM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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